[huskerlug] Re: Backups

On Thursday 24 July 2003 07:59 pm, you wrote:
> Cool, that website shows CRASHES. while the questions
> we all have concern the large percentage of hard drive
> FAILURES where the drive siezes up, or goes clacking
> to it's doom... mechanical failures... I will research
> more... All help is appreciated, but, I betcha no one
> has investigated this in any scientific manner...


mmm... this is the second time today this topic has come up.  I=20
believe I saw it first on either Linux Today or Slashdot.  The=20
'c-nile virus' is preventing me from recalling exactly where, but the=20
complaint was the same -- large number of computers running a mix of=20
WinXX and Linux.  The WinXX boxes were having an epidemic of buring=20
down HDs.


>
> --- GrayGeek <jkreps@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > They are seeking actual equipment longevity
> > > statistics.
> > > based upon a large base of use.
> >
> > OK.  Facts.
> > Compare the #computers vs #crashes for the various
> > M$ platforms at=3D20
> > this WINDOWS website.
>
> http://www.bugtoaster.com/dw15/Reports/OperatingSystems.asp
>
> > You will see that the average per unit of time is
> > about 18 +-3 per=3D20
> > box.
> >
> > > --- Jim Worrest <jworrest@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >         Oh, everyone with a Microsoft system including
> >
> > 2000
> >
> > > > the new one,
> > > > etc. had better go to the Microsoft patch
> >
> > website
> >
> > > > and get it patch
> > > > that means Windows ME and 98 also.
> > > >         The BBC again had a big article on that on
> >
> > their
> >
> > > > front page, about
> > > > buggy Microsoft, but now they moved  to their
> > > > technology section.
> > > > Show people that!   ---Jim
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday 24 July 2003 09:57, you wrote:
> > > > > I wouldn't talk Microsoft here, except that it
> >
> > is
> >
> > > > a
> > > >
> > > > > fact of life that everyone we advocate Open
> >
> > Source
> >
> > > > to,
> > > >
> > > > > including College Boards (who tax all of us,
> >
> > with
> >
> > > > a
> > > >
> > > > > Microsoft tax!) thinks that it is the only OS
> >
> > that
> >
> > > > > exists!
> > > > >
> > > > > As advocates of Open Source, we cannot afford
> >
> > to
> >
> > > > be
> > > >
> > > > > incorrect, and want to advocate GNU/Linux
> >
> > choices
> >
> > > > > foremost.  But, there are some areas, some
> > > > > applications, not yet fully fulfilled by any
> > > >
> > > > GNU/Linux
> > > >
> > > > > application.  Happily, this is being rectified
> >
> > at
> >
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > > > rate of over several dozen new applications
> >
> > each
> >
> > > > day
> > > >
> > > > > at http://sourceforge.net.
> > > > >
> > > > > I cite my hardware on MS OSes
> > > > > unreliability/destruction vs. Open Source
> > > > > stability/reliability, as one of the major
> > > >
> > > > problems
> > > >
> > > > > that is seldom addressed in any literature,
> >
> > and I
> >
> > > > seek
> > > >
> > > > > some credible statistics of hardware
> >
> > reliability
> >
> > > > to
> > > >
> > > > > back up my own experiences.
> > > > >
> > > > > I predict that the TOC (Total Ownership Cost)
> > > >
> > > > debate,
> > > >
> > > > > that was warped by MS into some kind of
> > > >
> > > > double-speak
> > > >
> > > > > for their marketing effort, will be replaced
> >
> > by a
> >
> > > > > genuine and unshakable dissertation on the
> > > >
> > > > unreliable
> > > >
> > > > > aspects their OSes introduce in the most
> >
> > stable
> >
> > > > > hardware platforms/processors/storage devices.
> > > > >
> > > > > This argument is a very on-topic one,
> >
> > concerning
> >
> > > > where
> > > >
> > > > > the world spends it's money on the IT
> > > >
> > > > infrastucture!
> > > >
> > > > >  --- Gary Kearney <gkearney@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > I seem to have had much better luck with ME
> >
> > than
> >
> > > > > > most people. Perhaps it's =3D3D
> > > > > > because I try not to trust the OS as much as
> > > > > > possible. I don't use "FindFas=3D3D
> > > > > > t" and disable the "extras" and "helpful"
> >
> > parts
> >
> > > > of
> > > >
> > > > > > all the MS products that=3D3D
> > > > > >  I can find. I have had one hard drive
> >
> > failure
> >
> > > > in
> > > >
> > > > > > the four years that I've =3D3D
> > > > > > owned the computer
> > > > >
> > > > > OK, so Microsoft OS comes with certain
> >
> > 'defaults'
> >
> > > > in
> > > >
> > > > > place, that destroy equipment within 3-4
> >
> > months!
> >
> > > > > The installer/user must track down, at great
> > > >
> > > > expense
> > > >
> > > > > in time/resources, all the default problems
> >
> > and
> >
> > > > repair
> > > >
> > > > > them!?
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'm using Word 2000 as part of the Works
> >
> > program
> >
> > > > > > that came with the compute=3D3D
> > > > > > r. I plan to uninstall it and use Open
> >
> > Office as
> >
> > > > > > soon as I finish a book pr=3D3D
> > > > > > oject. I used to like the old MS Works 4
> >
> > program
> >
> > > > > > before it had been complet=3D3D
> > > > > > ely Micro$ofted. I still use an old copy of
> > > > > > Publisher 97 for the same reaso=3D3D
> > > > > > n. M$ adds all the "Helpful" crap like
> >
> > "Clippie"
> >
> > > > and
> > > >
> > > > > > tons of other junk and=3D3D
> > > > > >  hides all the settings and other things you
> >
> > can
> >
> > > > use
> > > >
> > > > > > to create a useful env=3D3D
> > > > > > ironment from the junk they set you up with.
> > > > >
> > > > > Who 'owns' your data?  If you have to convert,
> > > >
> > > > then
> > > >
> > > > > you are serving a master who cares nothing
> >
> > about
> >
> > > > your
> > > >
> > > > > work!
> > > > >
> > > > > The thrashing of my drives, when using any of
> >
> > the
> >
> > > > > stolen code that MS has re-mal-formed to be
> >
> > their
> >
> > > > > non-standards compliant word processor(s), is
> >
> > not
> >
> > > > > something I will tolerate, nor, will my
> >
> > clients.
> >
> > > > > > I hate all the bloat, and that seems to have
> > > >
> > > > become
> > > >
> > > > > > the pardigm for the who=3D3D
> > > > > > le Window$ world. I just had another program
> > > >
> > > > that I
> > > >
> > > > > > used to like, update it=3D3D
> > > > > > self almost to the point of unusability.
> > > > > > Unfortunately I converted my data =3D3D
> > > > > > before I found out about the problems. Live
> >
> > and
> >
> > > > > > learn.
> > > > >
> > > > > If a 'standard' is complied with, in any
> > > >
> > > > application,
> > > >
> > > > > then no data should ever have to be converted!
> > > > >
> > > > > > I have a number of graphics programs that
> >
> > work
> >
> > > > only
> > > >
> > > > > > under Windows or I'd be=3D3D
> > > > > >  using Linux right now. Gimp does a lot of
> >
> > what
> >
> > > > I
> > > >
> > > > > > need, but not everything,=3D3D
> > > > > >  so I'm stuck with M$ for a few more months
> > > >
> > > > while I
> > > >
> > > > > > investigate alternative=3D3D
> > > > > > s.
> > > > >
> > > > > Try http://sourceforge.net and click on the
> > > >
> > > > 'software
> > > >
> > > > > map' header to open up all the catagories of
> > > > > applications and programs available.
> > > > >
> > > > > Who uses GNU/Linux?  You can now add the
> >
> > 'Gnomes
> >
> > > > of
> > > >
> > > > > Munich'
>
> http://linux.bryanconsulting.com/stories/storyReader$45
>
> > > > > > > All machinery breaks eventually.  I have
> >
> > over
> >
> > > > 25
> > > >
> > > > > > > systems here. Two run winME.  Guess which
> >
> > ones
> >
> > > > > > break
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > most often?  I mean that the hard drives
> > > >
> > > > crash,
> > > >
> > > > > > loose
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > sectors, start to constantly seek, with
> >
> > that
> >
> > > > > > clacking
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > sound, etc.  Only the Microsoft ones!
> >
> > Even on
> >
> > > > the
> > > >
> > > > > > > dual boot machines, with identical models
> >
> > of
> >
> > > > > > drives in
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > hdc: (Open Source) and C: (MS)!
> > > > >
> > > > > =3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D=3D3D
> > > > > Patrick
> > > > > Linux User #65411 http://lugww.counter.li.org
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> > > > > http://distrowatch.com for Linux!
> > > > > http://sourceforge.net  63,422+ FREE games,
> > > >
> > > > programs!
> > > >
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