[huskerlug] Re: Backups

Cool, that website shows CRASHES. while the questions
we all have concern the large percentage of hard drive
FAILURES where the drive siezes up, or goes clacking
to it's doom... mechanical failures... I will research
more... All help is appreciated, but, I betcha no one
has investigated this in any scientific manner...

--- GrayGeek <jkreps@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> > They are seeking actual equipment longevity
> > statistics.
> > based upon a large base of use.
> 
> OK.  Facts.
> Compare the #computers vs #crashes for the various
> M$ platforms at=20
> this WINDOWS website.
>
http://www.bugtoaster.com/dw15/Reports/OperatingSystems.asp
> You will see that the average per unit of time is
> about 18 +-3 per=20
> box.
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > --- Jim Worrest <jworrest@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >   Oh, everyone with a Microsoft system including
> 2000
> > > the new one,
> > > etc. had better go to the Microsoft patch
> website
> > > and get it patch
> > > that means Windows ME and 98 also.
> > >   The BBC again had a big article on that on
> their
> > > front page, about
> > > buggy Microsoft, but now they moved  to their
> > > technology section.
> > > Show people that!   ---Jim
> > >
> > > On Thursday 24 July 2003 09:57, you wrote:
> > > > I wouldn't talk Microsoft here, except that it
> is
> > >
> > > a
> > >
> > > > fact of life that everyone we advocate Open
> Source
> > >
> > > to,
> > >
> > > > including College Boards (who tax all of us,
> with
> > >
> > > a
> > >
> > > > Microsoft tax!) thinks that it is the only OS
> that
> > > > exists!
> > > >
> > > > As advocates of Open Source, we cannot afford
> to
> > >
> > > be
> > >
> > > > incorrect, and want to advocate GNU/Linux
> choices
> > > > foremost.  But, there are some areas, some
> > > > applications, not yet fully fulfilled by any
> > >
> > > GNU/Linux
> > >
> > > > application.  Happily, this is being rectified
> at
> > >
> > > the
> > >
> > > > rate of over several dozen new applications
> each
> > >
> > > day
> > >
> > > > at http://sourceforge.net.
> > > >
> > > > I cite my hardware on MS OSes
> > > > unreliability/destruction vs. Open Source
> > > > stability/reliability, as one of the major
> > >
> > > problems
> > >
> > > > that is seldom addressed in any literature,
> and I
> > >
> > > seek
> > >
> > > > some credible statistics of hardware
> reliability
> > >
> > > to
> > >
> > > > back up my own experiences.
> > > >
> > > > I predict that the TOC (Total Ownership Cost)
> > >
> > > debate,
> > >
> > > > that was warped by MS into some kind of
> > >
> > > double-speak
> > >
> > > > for their marketing effort, will be replaced
> by a
> > > > genuine and unshakable dissertation on the
> > >
> > > unreliable
> > >
> > > > aspects their OSes introduce in the most
> stable
> > > > hardware platforms/processors/storage devices.
> > > >
> > > > This argument is a very on-topic one,
> concerning
> > >
> > > where
> > >
> > > > the world spends it's money on the IT
> > >
> > > infrastucture!
> > >
> > > >  --- Gary Kearney <gkearney@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > I seem to have had much better luck with ME
> than
> > > > > most people. Perhaps it's =3D
> > > > > because I try not to trust the OS as much as
> > > > > possible. I don't use "FindFas=3D
> > > > > t" and disable the "extras" and "helpful"
> parts
> > >
> > > of
> > >
> > > > > all the MS products that=3D
> > > > >  I can find. I have had one hard drive
> failure
> > >
> > > in
> > >
> > > > > the four years that I've =3D
> > > > > owned the computer
> > > >
> > > > OK, so Microsoft OS comes with certain
> 'defaults'
> > >
> > > in
> > >
> > > > place, that destroy equipment within 3-4
> months!
> > > >
> > > > The installer/user must track down, at great
> > >
> > > expense
> > >
> > > > in time/resources, all the default problems
> and
> > >
> > > repair
> > >
> > > > them!?
> > > >
> > > > > I'm using Word 2000 as part of the Works
> program
> > > > > that came with the compute=3D
> > > > > r. I plan to uninstall it and use Open
> Office as
> > > > > soon as I finish a book pr=3D
> > > > > oject. I used to like the old MS Works 4
> program
> > > > > before it had been complet=3D
> > > > > ely Micro$ofted. I still use an old copy of
> > > > > Publisher 97 for the same reaso=3D
> > > > > n. M$ adds all the "Helpful" crap like
> "Clippie"
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > > > > tons of other junk and=3D
> > > > >  hides all the settings and other things you
> can
> > >
> > > use
> > >
> > > > > to create a useful env=3D
> > > > > ironment from the junk they set you up with.
> > > >
> > > > Who 'owns' your data?  If you have to convert,
> > >
> > > then
> > >
> > > > you are serving a master who cares nothing
> about
> > >
> > > your
> > >
> > > > work!
> > > >
> > > > The thrashing of my drives, when using any of
> the
> > > > stolen code that MS has re-mal-formed to be
> their
> > > > non-standards compliant word processor(s), is
> not
> > > > something I will tolerate, nor, will my
> clients.
> > > >
> > > > > I hate all the bloat, and that seems to have
> > >
> > > become
> > >
> > > > > the pardigm for the who=3D
> > > > > le Window$ world. I just had another program
> > >
> > > that I
> > >
> > > > > used to like, update it=3D
> > > > > self almost to the point of unusability.
> > > > > Unfortunately I converted my data =3D
> > > > > before I found out about the problems. Live
> and
> > > > > learn.
> > > >
> > > > If a 'standard' is complied with, in any
> > >
> > > application,
> > >
> > > > then no data should ever have to be converted!
> > > >
> > > > > I have a number of graphics programs that
> work
> > >
> > > only
> > >
> > > > > under Windows or I'd be=3D
> > > > >  using Linux right now. Gimp does a lot of
> what
> > >
> > > I
> > >
> > > > > need, but not everything,=3D
> > > > >  so I'm stuck with M$ for a few more months
> > >
> > > while I
> > >
> > > > > investigate alternative=3D
> > > > > s.
> > > >
> > > > Try http://sourceforge.net and click on the
> > >
> > > 'software
> > >
> > > > map' header to open up all the catagories of
> > > > applications and programs available.
> > > >
> > > > Who uses GNU/Linux?  You can now add the
> 'Gnomes
> > >
> > > of
> > >
> > > > Munich'
> >
> >
>
http://linux.bryanconsulting.com/stories/storyReader$45
> >
> > > > > > All machinery breaks eventually.  I have
> over
> > >
> > > 25
> > >
> > > > > > systems here. Two run winME.  Guess which
> ones
> > > > >
> > > > > break
> > > > >
> > > > > > most often?  I mean that the hard drives
> > >
> > > crash,
> > >
> > > > > loose
> > > > >
> > > > > > sectors, start to constantly seek, with
> that
> > > > >
> > > > > clacking
> > > > >
> > > > > > sound, etc.  Only the Microsoft ones! 
> Even on
> > >
> > > the
> > >
> > > > > > dual boot machines, with identical models
> of
> > > > >
> > > > > drives in
> > > > >
> > > > > > hdc: (Open Source) and C: (MS)!
> > > >
> > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> > > > Patrick
> > > > Linux User #65411 http://lugww.counter.li.org
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> > >
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