[huskerlug] Re: Backups

On Thursday 24 July 2003 03:01 pm, you wrote:
> These are folks who work very hard to pay for their
> hardware, and questions about them tossing all their
> MS licenses in the trash are not waht we want bandied
> about...
> We want them to make clear decisions based upon some
> credible equipment records, facts.  It is too easy to
> collect all the news clippings, into a large pile,
> that support the overall security of one OS over the
> other 140+ that have proven stable a lot longer...
> They are seeking actual equipment longevity
> statistics.
> based upon a large base of use.

OK.  Facts.
Compare the #computers vs #crashes for the various M$ platforms at=20
this WINDOWS website.
http://www.bugtoaster.com/dw15/Reports/OperatingSystems.asp
You will see that the average per unit of time is about 18 +-3 per=20
box.



>
> --- Jim Worrest <jworrest@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >     Oh, everyone with a Microsoft system including 2000
> > the new one,
> > etc. had better go to the Microsoft patch website
> > and get it patch
> > that means Windows ME and 98 also.
> >     The BBC again had a big article on that on their
> > front page, about
> > buggy Microsoft, but now they moved  to their
> > technology section.
> > Show people that!   ---Jim
> >
> > On Thursday 24 July 2003 09:57, you wrote:
> > > I wouldn't talk Microsoft here, except that it is
> >
> > a
> >
> > > fact of life that everyone we advocate Open Source
> >
> > to,
> >
> > > including College Boards (who tax all of us, with
> >
> > a
> >
> > > Microsoft tax!) thinks that it is the only OS that
> > > exists!
> > >
> > > As advocates of Open Source, we cannot afford to
> >
> > be
> >
> > > incorrect, and want to advocate GNU/Linux choices
> > > foremost.  But, there are some areas, some
> > > applications, not yet fully fulfilled by any
> >
> > GNU/Linux
> >
> > > application.  Happily, this is being rectified at
> >
> > the
> >
> > > rate of over several dozen new applications each
> >
> > day
> >
> > > at http://sourceforge.net.
> > >
> > > I cite my hardware on MS OSes
> > > unreliability/destruction vs. Open Source
> > > stability/reliability, as one of the major
> >
> > problems
> >
> > > that is seldom addressed in any literature, and I
> >
> > seek
> >
> > > some credible statistics of hardware reliability
> >
> > to
> >
> > > back up my own experiences.
> > >
> > > I predict that the TOC (Total Ownership Cost)
> >
> > debate,
> >
> > > that was warped by MS into some kind of
> >
> > double-speak
> >
> > > for their marketing effort, will be replaced by a
> > > genuine and unshakable dissertation on the
> >
> > unreliable
> >
> > > aspects their OSes introduce in the most stable
> > > hardware platforms/processors/storage devices.
> > >
> > > This argument is a very on-topic one, concerning
> >
> > where
> >
> > > the world spends it's money on the IT
> >
> > infrastucture!
> >
> > >  --- Gary Kearney <gkearney@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > I seem to have had much better luck with ME than
> > > > most people. Perhaps it's =3D
> > > > because I try not to trust the OS as much as
> > > > possible. I don't use "FindFas=3D
> > > > t" and disable the "extras" and "helpful" parts
> >
> > of
> >
> > > > all the MS products that=3D
> > > >  I can find. I have had one hard drive failure
> >
> > in
> >
> > > > the four years that I've =3D
> > > > owned the computer
> > >
> > > OK, so Microsoft OS comes with certain 'defaults'
> >
> > in
> >
> > > place, that destroy equipment within 3-4 months!
> > >
> > > The installer/user must track down, at great
> >
> > expense
> >
> > > in time/resources, all the default problems and
> >
> > repair
> >
> > > them!?
> > >
> > > > I'm using Word 2000 as part of the Works program
> > > > that came with the compute=3D
> > > > r. I plan to uninstall it and use Open Office as
> > > > soon as I finish a book pr=3D
> > > > oject. I used to like the old MS Works 4 program
> > > > before it had been complet=3D
> > > > ely Micro$ofted. I still use an old copy of
> > > > Publisher 97 for the same reaso=3D
> > > > n. M$ adds all the "Helpful" crap like "Clippie"
> >
> > and
> >
> > > > tons of other junk and=3D
> > > >  hides all the settings and other things you can
> >
> > use
> >
> > > > to create a useful env=3D
> > > > ironment from the junk they set you up with.
> > >
> > > Who 'owns' your data?  If you have to convert,
> >
> > then
> >
> > > you are serving a master who cares nothing about
> >
> > your
> >
> > > work!
> > >
> > > The thrashing of my drives, when using any of the
> > > stolen code that MS has re-mal-formed to be their
> > > non-standards compliant word processor(s), is not
> > > something I will tolerate, nor, will my clients.
> > >
> > > > I hate all the bloat, and that seems to have
> >
> > become
> >
> > > > the pardigm for the who=3D
> > > > le Window$ world. I just had another program
> >
> > that I
> >
> > > > used to like, update it=3D
> > > > self almost to the point of unusability.
> > > > Unfortunately I converted my data =3D
> > > > before I found out about the problems. Live and
> > > > learn.
> > >
> > > If a 'standard' is complied with, in any
> >
> > application,
> >
> > > then no data should ever have to be converted!
> > >
> > > > I have a number of graphics programs that work
> >
> > only
> >
> > > > under Windows or I'd be=3D
> > > >  using Linux right now. Gimp does a lot of what
> >
> > I
> >
> > > > need, but not everything,=3D
> > > >  so I'm stuck with M$ for a few more months
> >
> > while I
> >
> > > > investigate alternative=3D
> > > > s.
> > >
> > > Try http://sourceforge.net and click on the
> >
> > 'software
> >
> > > map' header to open up all the catagories of
> > > applications and programs available.
> > >
> > > Who uses GNU/Linux?  You can now add the 'Gnomes
> >
> > of
> >
> > > Munich'
>
> http://linux.bryanconsulting.com/stories/storyReader$45
>
> > > > > All machinery breaks eventually.  I have over
> >
> > 25
> >
> > > > > systems here. Two run winME.  Guess which ones
> > > >
> > > > break
> > > >
> > > > > most often?  I mean that the hard drives
> >
> > crash,
> >
> > > > loose
> > > >
> > > > > sectors, start to constantly seek, with that
> > > >
> > > > clacking
> > > >
> > > > > sound, etc.  Only the Microsoft ones!  Even on
> >
> > the
> >
> > > > > dual boot machines, with identical models of
> > > >
> > > > drives in
> > > >
> > > > > hdc: (Open Source) and C: (MS)!
> > >
> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> > > Patrick
> > > Linux User #65411 http://lugww.counter.li.org
> > > http://yolinux.com for all your questions!
> > > http://distrowatch.com for Linux!
> > > http://sourceforge.net  63,422+ FREE games,
> >
> > programs!
> >
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