[HUG ] Re: SV: SV: Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: On the subject of equipment cost

Dear Bob,

As a Swede mostly lurking on this list I can assure you that this is
true. The Swedish government were playing a double game, trying as
hard as they could to keep Sweden out of the war. Right or wrong, they
succeeded. Maybe Sweden would have been able to stay out of the war
without this compromise, but of course no one knows for sure. This was
a tough balance act. But the German troup transports through Swedish
territory is a historic fact.

This is not something to be proud of as a Swede, but even worse are
the many openly pro-nazi sentiments expressed by leading Swedes before
and even during the war. At the same time, many Swedes were secretly
helping the Norwegian and Danish resistance.

I guess most European countries have a WWII history to deal with.

Per


2008/10/17 BOB KISS <bobkiss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> DEAR TOM,
>        Since this topic is straying pretty far afield, I am hoping you
> might either dispel or confirm a story I heard.  Though Sweden was neutral I
> heard that many older Norwegians who remember WWII are not terribly fond of
> Sweden because the Swedish government allowed the Nazis to cross Sweden by
> train to attack and occupy Norway.
>        Looking forward to your info...
>                CHEERS!
>                        BOB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hasselblad-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:hasselblad-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom Just Olsen
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 6:04 PM
> To: hasselblad@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [HUG ] SV: SV: Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: On the subject of equipement
> cost
>
> Rickard,
>
> Talking of lakes hiding secrets...
>
> Not far from where I have my office in Oslo there is a 'mysterious lake in
> the forrest'.  During WWII MILORG helped a German soldier and his Norwegian
> girlfriend to escape to Sweden by letting them use MILORG's own secret
> escape route with minders, helpers and guides.  When they came to Sweden the
> German was confronted with that he would be interned in a camp.  Then the
> couple decided to go back to Oslo again.  The MILORG leader had them
> assassinated, they had to since they had compromised all the route helpers,
> and the tragic couple is supposed to be dumped in this lake.
>
> Tom of Oslo
>
>
>
>> From: Richard Schiff [leicaman@xxxxxxx]
>> Sent: 2008-10-16 22:44:09 CEST
>> To: tjols@xxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: [HUG ] SV: Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: On the subject of equipement
> cost
>>
>> Dear Tom,
>>
>> Sounds absolutely beautiful.  Being a WWII history buff I wonder what the
> Germans might have dumped into your lake at the end of the war.  Sometimes
> those lakes hold many secrets....
>>
>> Rich
>>
>> San Diego
>>
>>
>>
>> > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:28:46 +0200> From: > To:
> hasselblad@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [HUG ] SV: Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: On the
> subject of equipement cost> > Richard,> > It might sound impressive, but is
> only 186 hectares bought for a song when Russia flooded Europe with cheap
> timber. - And really, the purpose of the purchase was to get control of our
> summer house neighbourhood, not to do business as such. President Putin, - I
> ought to send him a christmas card, then implemented a hefty export fee on
> their timber exports, doubling timber prices. It has turned out to be a very
> good investment.> > Much more important: It is a very beautiful, picturesque
> and unique place where bears, wolves and lynx are regularly roaming. And
> moose and deer. It is situated 170 km right east of Oslo, (about 59.55.00 N
> - 12.50.18 E) on top of a hill overlooking a small lake called Borsjøen.
> Deep in the forest are a desolate farm from the 16th century. The last who
> lived there emigrated to America back in the 30'. One of them fell at some
> island in the Pacific during WWII.> > We are going over there this weekend
> to pick up the meat from the moose hunt. - We don't hunt ourselves, but get
> our share of the proceeds from the annual hunt.> > Tom of Oslo> > > From:
> Richard Schiff [leicaman@xxxxxxx]> > Sent: 2008-10-16 21:22:10 CEST> > To:
> hasselblad@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [HUG ] Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: On the
> subject of equipement cost> > > > Tom,> > > > If you own a forest... who
> cares about deductions!> > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:42:30
> +0200> From: tjols@xxxxxxxxx> To: hasselblad@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [HUG ]
> SV: Re: SV: Re: On the subject of equipement cost> > Sure, this is very
> similar as over here. But here in Norway I am only an ordinary employee with
> no possibility to deduct any 'hobby expenses' from my income. > > But my
> wife and I own a forest estate in Sweden. This is reckoned as a 'business'
> according to Swedish tax rules. We have to make a tax declaration every
> year, declare income, deduct expenses, VAT paid and VAT charged. We have a
> depreciation plan where we depreciate any large investments done during the
> year, like machinery, tools, protective clothes, roads or plantings - and
> pay 32% tax on any profit. Running a forest estate like this is indeed a tax
> planning exercise. But sorry, no photo equipment can be deducted. And there
> is no discussion! Swedish tax authorities are very strict and the rules are
> very specific; it got to be very 'forest industry related'. > > Tom of Oslo>
>> > From: Gary Todoroff [datamaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]> > Sent:
> 2008-10-16 04:55:19 CEST> > To: hasselblad@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [HUG ]
> Re: SV: Re: On the subject of equipement cost> > > > You are in business in
> the US if you engage in financial activity > > with the intent to make a
> profit. The same rules apply whether you > > are a multi-million dollar
> company or an individual who loses money > > most of the time. The IRS
> "guidelines" stipulate that you should show > > a profit for some years, but
> I don't know what is the exact number of > > years. Tax LAW, last I heard,
> did not specify that you had to always > > make a profit, although numerous
> years of losses could trigger an IRS > > audit. In any case, the tax laws
> were made for the big guys, but the > > little guys get to play by the same
> rules. There is absolutely > > nothing shady about taking whatever
> deductions you are entitled to by > > the rules, as long as you are not
> fraudulent in your declaration of > > income and expense. That is the
> difference between tax AVOIDANCE and > > tax EVASION.> > > > What I really
> hate is the smug attitude of someone who has always > > collected a paycheck
> who says to the businessman, "Can't you just > > write it off?" That is
> money out of your pocket, no matter what the > > expense. A write-off is
> money spent, plain and simple. If you can > > justify it as a business
> expense, however, some or all of it can be > > deducted from the profit of
> your business on which taxes are paid. An > > expense as large as the
> stratospheric cost of a Hassleblad these days > > would probably need to be
> put on a deduction schedule, in which you > > can only show a portion of the
> overall expense over a few years. In > > these digital days, you may not be
> able to actually deduct all the > > equipment expense from your profit until
> long after the equipment is obsolete.> > > > In any case, I'm neither a
> lawyer nor an accountant. All the money I > > give those gusy to keep up
> with the insane rules, however, is a > > business tax "write-off", and an
> absurd waste of money that I would > > much rather keep in my pocket!! If
> you are not filing an IRS Schedule > > C these days showing profit and loss
> for some kind of business, then > > just kiss your paycheck money goodbye as
> it takes wings toward the > > bottomless pit called Washington, D.C.> > > >
> Gary Todoroff> > > > > > > > >>In the USA, You must be trying to run a
> business.... with verifiable> > >>"things" that you do to maintain a
> business.... Then and only then can you> > >>deduct your costs.... and yes,
> from your other income if it is a loss.> > >>> > >>Buying a $75K Hasselblad
> or Leica S2 system, taking it off the taxes and> > >>then doing absolutely
> nothing to actually run a business ( real> > >>advertising, some jobs, maybe
> a few customer meetings) will get your> > >>deduction dumped if you get
> audited.> > >>> > >>The trick it to run the business at a zero, or, better
> yet, $1 profit a> > >>year.... and then run it forever...... Then you can
> buy a $75 Blad system> > >>and they can not complain...... as long as you
> can show you used the> > >>equipment in earning the revenue.......> > >>> >
>>>I think our Tax guys are more intolerant.........than the Canadians......>
>> >>> > >>> > >>Frank Filippone> > >>red735i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > >
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