[HUG ] Re: SV: Re: SV: SV: Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: On the subject of equipment cost

Being another lurker on the list and since having lived in Norway and 
feels just as much at home there as in Sweden I'd like to add another 
historic perspective to complicate Swedens history in the second world 
war.

Not so well known is that from the refugee streams into Sweden 
Norwegian men in military age were  selected into so called health 
camps which sole purpose was military or police training. From 1943 
when Germanys luck in the war changed this was intensified and totally 
some 15000 Norwegians got military training. One of the sites was 
Mälåkers castle just on the outskirts of Stockholm.

There are a number of reasons discussed why Sweden wasn't attacked by 
Germany. The one we were taught at school was that the iron ore mines 
would have been destroyed the minute an invasion was initiated - thus 
no iron ore for a while for the germans - a genuine two way hostage 
situation. A major reason for occupying Narvik in Norway (securing ore 
transports). Another being Herman Göhring whos wife was Swedish. 

Anyhow, this is a rather length story and not Hasselblad talk. Thanks 
for the many inspired photographic listings. Thanks Tom for the 
historic perspective. I myself feel very much at home whenever I'm in 
Norway.

Cheers,

Ronald Arvidsson 

Tom Just Olsen wrote:
> Bob,
>
> This is true.  But there is no antagonism between Norwegians and 
Swedes because of this today.  Behind it is a long and complicated 
story.  The Swedish authorities had to comply to German demands.  No 
other option was really practical.  However:  Swedish industry made 
huge profits by supplying Germany with steel, ball bearings, timber 
etc.  Victor Hasselblad made several trips to Germany during the war, 
to Carl Zeiss, Jena, in an effort of producing cameras for the Swedish 
Airforce. - At the same time hundreds of Swedish sailors died serving 
in Alllied convoys during the war.  
>
> The Swedes did a tremendous job helping Allied POWs, prisoners in 
the camps towards the end of the war and many of them can owe their 
lives to this effort from the Swedes.  Most of the members of the post 
war Norwegian government were ex. prisoners of Sachenhausen and owed 
their lives to the Swedish Red Cross Buses.  Soon after the war ended 
the Swedish Red Cross sent mobile kitchens over the border to feed the 
starved out Norwegians, a gesture that was not forgotten.  My mother 
could remember 'the Swedish Soup' as something of the best she had ever 
eaten.  -It was ordinary meat soup.
>
> Tom of Oslo
>
>> From: BOB KISS [bobkiss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> Sent: 2008-10-17 04:17:10 CEST
>> To: hasselblad@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [HUG ] Re: SV: SV: Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: On the subject of 
equipment  cost
>>
>> DEAR TOM,
>>      Since this topic is straying pretty far afield, I am hoping you
>> might either dispel or confirm a story I heard.  Though Sweden was 
neutral I
>> heard that many older Norwegians who remember WWII are not terribly 
fond of
>> Sweden because the Swedish government allowed the Nazis to cross 
Sweden by
>> train to attack and occupy Norway. 
>>      Looking forward to your info...
>>              CHEERS!
>>                      BOB
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: hasselblad-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:hasselblad-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom Just 
Olsen
>> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 6:04 PM
>> To: hasselblad@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [HUG ] SV: SV: Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: On the subject of 
equipement
>> cost
>>
>> Rickard,
>>
>> Talking of lakes hiding secrets...
>>
>> Not far from where I have my office in Oslo there is a 'mysterious 
lake in
>> the forrest'.  During WWII MILORG helped a German soldier and his 
Norwegian
>> girlfriend to escape to Sweden by letting them use MILORG's own 
secret
>> escape route with minders, helpers and guides.  When they came to 
Sweden the
>> German was confronted with that he would be interned in a camp.  
Then the
>> couple decided to go back to Oslo again.  The MILORG leader had 
them
>> assassinated, they had to since they had compromised all the route 
helpers,
>> and the tragic couple is supposed to be dumped in this lake.  
>>
>> Tom of Oslo 
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: Richard Schiff [leicaman@xxxxxxx]
>>> Sent: 2008-10-16 22:44:09 CEST
>>> To: tjols@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: [HUG ] SV: Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: On the subject of 
equipement
>> cost
>>> Dear Tom,
>>>  
>>> Sounds absolutely beautiful.  Being a WWII history buff I wonder 
what the
>> Germans might have dumped into your lake at the end of the war.  
Sometimes
>> those lakes hold many secrets....
>>>  
>>> Rich
>>>  
>>> San Diego
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:28:46 +0200> From: > To:
>> hasselblad@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [HUG ] SV: Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: 
On the
>> subject of equipement cost> > Richard,> > It might sound 
impressive, but is
>> only 186 hectares bought for a song when Russia flooded Europe with 
cheap
>> timber. - And really, the purpose of the purchase was to get 
control of our
>> summer house neighbourhood, not to do business as such. President 
Putin, - I
>> ought to send him a christmas card, then implemented a hefty export 
fee on
>> their timber exports, doubling timber prices. It has turned out to 
be a very
>> good investment.> > Much more important: It is a very beautiful, 
picturesque
>> and unique place where bears, wolves and lynx are regularly 
roaming. And
>> moose and deer. It is situated 170 km right east of Oslo, (about 
59.55.00 N
>> - 12.50.18 E) on top of a hill overlooking a small lake called 
Borsjøen.
>> Deep in the forest are a desolate farm from the 16th century. The 
last who
>> lived there emigrated to America back in the 30'. One of them fell 
at some
>> island in the Pacific during WWII.> > We are going over there this 
weekend
>> to pick up the meat from the moose hunt. - We don't hunt ourselves, 
but get
>> our share of the proceeds from the annual hunt.> > Tom of Oslo> > > 
From:
>> Richard Schiff [leicaman@xxxxxxx]> > Sent: 2008-10-16 21:22:10 
CEST> > To:
>> hasselblad@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [HUG ] Re: SV: Re: SV: Re: On 
the
>> subject of equipement cost> > > > Tom,> > > > If you own a 
forest... who
>> cares about deductions!> > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:
42:30
>> +0200> From: tjols@xxxxxxxxx> To: hasselblad@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
Subject: [HUG ]
>> SV: Re: SV: Re: On the subject of equipement cost> > Sure, this is 
very
>> similar as over here. But here in Norway I am only an ordinary 
employee with
>> no possibility to deduct any 'hobby expenses' from my income. > > 
But my
>> wife and I own a forest estate in Sweden. This is reckoned as a 
'business'
>> according to Swedish tax rules. We have to make a tax declaration 
every
>> year, declare income, deduct expenses, VAT paid and VAT charged. We 
have a
>> depreciation plan where we depreciate any large investments done 
during the
>> year, like machinery, tools, protective clothes, roads or plantings 
- and
>> pay 32% tax on any profit. Running a forest estate like this is 
indeed a tax
>> planning exercise. But sorry, no photo equipment can be deducted. 
And there
>> is no discussion! Swedish tax authorities are very strict and the 
rules are
>> very specific; it got to be very 'forest industry related'. > > Tom 
of Oslo>
>>>> From: Gary Todoroff [datamaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]> > Sent:
>> 2008-10-16 04:55:19 CEST> > To: hasselblad@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > 
Subject: [HUG ]
>> Re: SV: Re: On the subject of equipement cost> > > > You are in 
business in
>> the US if you engage in financial activity > > with the intent to 
make a
>> profit. The same rules apply whether you > > are a multi-million 
dollar
>> company or an individual who loses money > > most of the time. The 
IRS
>> "guidelines" stipulate that you should show > > a profit for some 
years, but
>> I don't know what is the exact number of > > years. Tax LAW, last I 
heard,
>> did not specify that you had to always > > make a profit, although 
numerous
>> years of losses could trigger an IRS > > audit. In any case, the 
tax laws
>> were made for the big guys, but the > > little guys get to play by 
the same
>> rules. There is absolutely > > nothing shady about taking whatever
>> deductions you are entitled to by > > the rules, as long as you are 
not
>> fraudulent in your declaration of > > income and expense. That is 
the
>> difference between tax AVOIDANCE and > > tax EVASION.> > > > What I 
really
>> hate is the smug attitude of someone who has always > > collected a 
paycheck
>> who says to the businessman, "Can't you just > > write it off?" 
That is
>> money out of your pocket, no matter what the > > expense. A write-
off is
>> money spent, plain and simple. If you can > > justify it as a 
business
>> expense, however, some or all of it can be > > deducted from the 
profit of
>> your business on which taxes are paid. An > > expense as large as 
the
>> stratospheric cost of a Hassleblad these days > > would probably 
need to be
>> put on a deduction schedule, in which you > > can only show a 
portion of the
>> overall expense over a few years. In > > these digital days, you 
may not be
>> able to actually deduct all the > > equipment expense from your 
profit until
>> long after the equipment is obsolete.> > > > In any case, I'm 
neither a
>> lawyer nor an accountant. All the money I > > give those gusy to 
keep up
>> with the insane rules, however, is a > > business tax "write-off", 
and an
>> absurd waste of money that I would > > much rather keep in my 
pocket!! If
>> you are not filing an IRS Schedule > > C these days showing profit 
and loss
>> for some kind of business, then > > just kiss your paycheck money 
goodbye as
>> it takes wings toward the > > bottomless pit called Washington, D.C.
> > > >
>> Gary Todoroff> > > > > > > > >>In the USA, You must be trying to 
run a
>> business.... with verifiable> > >>"things" that you do to maintain 
a
>> business.... Then and only then can you> > >>deduct your costs.... 
and yes,
>> from your other income if it is a loss.> > >>> > >>Buying a $75K 
Hasselblad
>> or Leica S2 system, taking it off the taxes and> > >>then doing 
absolutely
>> nothing to actually run a business ( real> > >>advertising, some 
jobs, maybe
>> a few customer meetings) will get your> > >>deduction dumped if you 
get
>> audited.> > >>> > >>The trick it to run the business at a zero, or, 
better
>> yet, $1 profit a> > >>year.... and then run it forever...... Then 
you can
>> buy a $75 Blad system> > >>and they can not complain...... as long 
as you
>> can show you used the> > >>equipment in earning the revenue.......> 
> >>> >
>>>> I think our Tax guys are more intolerant.........than the 
Canadians......>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank Filippone> > >>red735i@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > >
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