[openbeos] Re: Site Audit

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Zenja Solaja <solaja@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Karl, I've discovered that all BeOS files from the dawn of time are still
> available on BeShare (ie. Everyone (TM) has everything).
>

Must be my bad luck, nobody is on lately. There's about 5-6 frequent users
on the Tycomsystem channel. Zaranthros has a lot, but not everything.

Going into off-topic mode (and this really is a R2 / GlassElevator thing),
> wouldn't it be perfect to have a "Haiku world" icon on the desktop which
> launches an app like BeShare v2, which has the following:
>
> 1) can host/connect to Haiku only chat rooms (with various topics), just
> like BeShare now
>
> 2) can share Haiku only files (P2P), just like BeShare now.  No more dead
> links.
>
P2P always depends on the willingness of people to share. Just like new
torrents, after a while, they to disappear.

> 3) Shows a community bookmark page (with links to the best Haiku pages)
>
> 4) ultimately, uses a HTML based kit to connect to a Haiku WIKI, which is
> also the only documentation for the system (user and developer).
>
> 5) why not, connects to Haiku database.
>
> 6) push notifications for application updates.
>
> Ofcourse, the pragmatic and simpler solution would be to have a "Haiku
> world" icon on the desktop which is a symlink to a directory, and the
> directory has links to apps with this functionality (BeShare, Vision, HTML
> links etc),
>
I've done something similar with Senryu. A 'support' icon of Vision on the
desktop that automatically connects to #Haiku #Haikuware.

> Anyhow, good luck with HaikuWare v2.  karl, you are a great asset to the
> Haiku community.
>

Thanks Zenja.


>  Cheers.
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:07 AM, . Meanwhile . <meanwhile@xxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>>
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Karl vom Dorff" <karl@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: openbeos@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: [openbeos] Site Audit
>> > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:59:55 -0400
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Community,
>> >
>> > It's probably no surprise to many of you (as you see the number of files
>> on
>> > Haikuware increase) that I've been spending the last while auditing
>> BeBits.
>> >
>> > I think it's important to have a software base ready for when Haiku's
>> ready,
>> > and if users have to deal with the vast amount of missing software at
>> BeBits
>> > where ~35% (conservative estimate) of the files are missing, they will
>> > surely get frustrated! Some may argue, why bother? The software is old!
>> To
>> > them I would say - old software doesn't necessarily equate to bad
>> > software... Also, imagine if BeBits were gone tomorrow. That would be a
>> > great loss.
>> >
>> > To make a long story short, here's what I've been doing:
>> >
>> >
>> >     - downloading all available files. When there was missing software,
>> I
>> >     would check against the file name at: a) BeShare b) Archive.org
>> > c) Google d)
>> >     Check the Talkback comments for links. In short, if the missing
>> files were
>> >     available somewhere on the net, they have to be hiding pretty
>> good...
>> >     - importing the files, descriptions, dates, icons, etc. Adding
>> archived
>> >     links to author homepages if they disappeared, etc.
>> >     - centralizing all the files on one server (later to be mirrored in
>> >     Europe and Asia) so that the infamous BeBits 'missing file/dead
>> link' never
>> >     happens again.
>> >     - linking files only to one category. BeBits is confusing and
>> misleading
>> >     because files are listed in multiple categories (artificially
>> inflating the
>> >     file counts in each category. e.g total file count listed on
>> > their frontpage
>> >     when adding all together = 6500, actual files = 3535). So when
>> you're
>> >     browsing software, you don't know whether you've already passed by
>> the file
>> >     you're looking at or not therefore wasting time. Not to mention
>> > wasting time
>> >     finding a link that works or visiting unwelcomed porn sites hehe.
>> >     - removed Zeta software.
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm 90% complete the task, and will be spending the next 2-3 weeks
>> > finishing. BeBits lists 3535 'files' on their website, of which I
>> estimate
>> > 35% are gone (= 2298 actual files). Today I uploaded the 2222nd file to
>> > Haikuware, meaning very shortly, Haikuware may be the largest (but not
>> most
>> > popular) online provider of BeOS (and Haiku if Haiku R1 achieves binary
>> > compatibilty) software (and maybe retro software in general)... But
>> that's
>> > not really the point.
>> >
>> > *The point is, I'd like to salvage as much BeOS software as possible.
>> I'd
>> > like to ask the community to contribute any missing files (that I'm sure
>> > they have on CDs in their basements) my way, so I can fill the missing
>> gaps.
>> > I've tried to keep a record (sometimes GoogleDocs crashed on me) of the
>> > missing files, and for the most part, should be pretty complete. You can
>> > view the documents here (in XLS, ODF): *
>> >
>> > http://www.haikuware.com/downloads/registered/haikuware.zip
>> >
>> > Although I would hope most people see this endeavour as a good thing, I
>> can
>> > appreciate that some developers may not like their software hosted at
>> > Haikuware. Please contact me, and I'll remove whatever you wish.
>> >
>> > Lastly, I know the design of Haikuware lacks in function, speed, and
>> > aesthetics (compared to BeBits). Once I'm done with all the files, I'll
>> be
>> > re-designing the website and hope to have it ready for the Alpha 1
>> release.
>> > I'm looking at an RoR design perhaps. Something that will be able to
>> stand a
>> > huge database and lots of traffic. I'm also looking to create a unique
>> > website that will combine the best parts of VersionTracker, BeBits,
>> > Download.com, etc. Therefore, if anyone can recommend a good
>> developer/team
>> > or has any suggestions I'd be greatful. Also, if anyone here thinks they
>> may
>> > be up to this task (I'd like to keep the work in the community if
>> possible),
>> > contact me privately with your resume. It has to be someone with serious
>> > credentials (not a Joomla hacker like me) with 6-8 weeks of
>> > *full-time*labour. A full proposal is in the works, and will probably
>> > be 20-30 pages.
>> > Ask for my budget - serious enquiries only please.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Karl vom Dorff
>> > B.Sc (Hons) Biology, (German minor)
>> >
>> > http://www.karlvd.com
>> > http://www.clubloreley.org
>> > http://www.haikuware.com
>>
>> Great work!
>> Could you also make an unsorted but alphabetical list of it?
>> I guess many -other- people will have just a single 'BeOSfiles' folder
>> somewhere on their HD or CD.
>> The software that opened the .xls file can't seem to do this (though I
>> almost never use it).
>>
>>
>> Meanwhile
>>
>>
>>
>> =
>>
>>
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>


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Karl vom Dorff
B.Sc (Hons) Biology, (German minor)

http://www.karlvd.com
http://www.clubloreley.org
http://www.haikuware.com

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