[openbeos] Re: Site Audit

On za, 2008-10-11 at 18:48 -0300, Dennis d'Entremont wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Schrijvers Luc <Begasus@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>         
>         On za, 2008-10-11 at 17:46 -0300, Dennis d'Entremont wrote:
>         >
>         >
>         > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Schrijvers Luc
>         <Begasus@xxxxxxxxx>
>         > wrote:
>         >
>         >         On za, 2008-10-11 at 15:59 -0400, Karl vom Dorff
>         wrote:
>         >         >
>         >         >
>         >         > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Schrijvers Luc
>         >         <Begasus@xxxxxxxxx>
>         >         > wrote:
>         >         >         On za, 2008-10-11 at 13:56 -0400, Karl vom
>         Dorff
>         >         wrote:
>         >         >         >
>         >         >         >
>         >         >         > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Oliver
>         Ruiz
>         >         Dorantes
>         >         >         > <oliver.ruiz.dorantes@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>         >         >         >
>         >         >         >         Amazing work Karl,
>         >         >         >
>         >         >         >
>         >         >         >         I am sure many of us had this
>         idea in
>         >         mind. In fact
>         >         >         I worked
>         >         >         >         in some zoho formularies which
>         people
>         >         could submit
>         >         >         wanted
>         >         >         >         applications and other could
>         post
>         >         something like a
>         >         >         url mirror.
>         >         >         >         To "save" the application. Maybe
>         this can
>         >         be added
>         >         >         in
>         >         >         >         Haikuware somehow Karl?
>         >         >         >
>         >         >         >
>         >         >         >
>         >         >         > Not sure I understand what you mean... I
>         want to
>         >         try to get
>         >         >         away from
>         >         >         > people submitting their own mirrors and
>         links to
>         >         files. If
>         >         >         everything
>         >         >         > is all in one place, even if it goes
>         down, it
>         >         would be a lot
>         >         >         easier to
>         >         >         > retrieve than if files are scattered all
>         over the
>         >         web.
>         >         >         >
>         >         >         >         Some Comments:
>         >         >         >
>         >         >         >         - I hope in your SPIDER-WEB
>         manual job you
>         >         also
>         >         >         retrieved all
>         >         >         >         possible sources. Even if the
>         app is zeta
>         >         only or is
>         >         >         old, the
>         >         >         >         application can be ported and
>         updated
>         >         somewhere in
>         >         >         time.
>         >         >         >
>         >         >         >
>         >         >         > I didn't. I didn't download or add Zeta
>         apps
>         >         because Zeta is
>         >         >         dead.
>         >         >
>         >         >
>         >         >         I can't get it why you have to remove the
>         ZETA apps?
>         >         ZETA
>         >         >         dead ... you
>         >         >         are right there ... it has no future and
>         is not
>         >         developped ...
>         >         >         but that
>         >         >         goes for R5 too, are you removing R5
>         downloads also
>         >         then?
>         >         >         Your reasons for not adding them don't add
>         up ...
>         >         >
>         >         > It's purely logical. Haiku is meant to be binary
>         compatible
>         >         with BeOS
>         >         > R5 NOT Zeta. Therefore Zeta applications are dead
>         and have
>         >         no future
>         >         > (many requiring libzeta).
>         >         >
>         >
>         
>         I agree with Karl's reasoning on this. If there are ports that
>         work on
>         Haiku then they could be included.
>         
>         
>         There is no mention of that anyware ...
>         qoute:
>         "I didn't. I didn't download or add Zeta apps because Zeta is
>         dead."
>         
>         
>         Again ... you did! Freeciv is not running on R5, offialy on
>         ZETA only
>         (but should run on R5 BONE also - never checked here). So far
>         for
>         checking ...
>         
>         
>         >         Haiku compiled apps wont even run in R5 nor ZETA,
>         ZETA
>         >         compiled apps
>         >         (when not linked against libzeta) can run on R5,
>         Haiku and
>         >         ZETA ...
>         >         Furthermore ... one of the things like the network
>         is probably
>         >         more
>         >         compatible with ZETA then it is with R5 ...
>         >
>         >         where is the problem there?
>         >         >
>         >         >
>         >         >         Another thing I'm having a bit of a
>         problem with is
>         >         the fact
>         >         >         that you
>         >         >         host files on haikuware that are activaly
>         being
>         >         >         maintained/ported by
>         >         >         others, you are using screenshots that you
>         copy'd
>         >         from the
>         >         >         original
>         >         >         place etc.
>         >         >
>         >         > Sure, I don't have time to take 2000+ screenshots.
>         It should
>         >         look the
>         >         > same way on BeOS as it does on Haiku if the
>         application is
>         >         to be
>         >         > binary compatible, that's why I used any
>         screenshots that
>         >         were already
>         >         > available.
>         >         >
>         >
>         >         I'm not even that upset about the screenshots as I
>         am about
>         >         the fact
>         >         that you host files that are hosted on the porters
>         site
>         >         themselves.
>         >         Most people know that I'm doing ports for
>         BeOS/ZETA/Haiku .. I
>         >         try not
>         >         to make any differance when I'm compiling .. but
>         sometimes it
>         >         just takes
>         >         ZETA to be able to compile the thing.
>         >         I am also trying to go with Haiku as much as I can,
>         as both R5
>         >         and ZETA
>         >         have no future anymore ... but I still keep in mind
>         that there
>         >         are still
>         >         quite a number of people around using those 2 OS's.
>         >
>         >  Yes but Haikuware is centered on Haiku not R5 or Zeta.
>         >
>         
>         
>         K but why host R5 files then?
> 
> Because Haiku is supposed to be compatible with R5 not Zeta. 

I'm stopping this one here ... you choose that way .. ok, I don't have
to agree with that but nobody's stopping you guys from doing so ... 

>  
>         
>         
>         >
>         >
>         >         You can host the files in case of a website going
>         down, but
>         >         further then
>         >         that it's good policy to link to the other hosting
>         pages.
>         >         The tuxpaint port is also hosted on Bill's own
>         page ... the
>         >         port I made
>         >         is linked to that one so he can also check what
>         files are
>         >         downloaded and
>         >         wich os's are still interesting for him (he asked me
>         for the
>         >         port to put
>         >         up there).
>         >         >
>         >         >
>         >         >         Don't get me wrong .. the idea behind it
>         all is a
>         >         good one ..
>         >         >         but you
>         >         >         should've asked around a bit 'before' you
>         added
>         >         BeBits
>         >         >         contents over.
>         >         >         Some of the ports are even older on
>         haikuware then
>         >         the actual
>         >         >         release at
>         >         >         the moment on BeBits and the original port
>         (freeciv
>         >         for one).
>         >         >
>         >         > True, but very few. I started the project 8 months
>         ago. In
>         >         that time
>         >         > some of the applications that I already submitted,
>         may have
>         >         been
>         >         > updated in the meantime (i.e FireFox, Thunderbid).
>         I'll have
>         >         to review
>         >         > this. Help is welcome, thanks for noting that
>         application.
>         >         >
>         >
>         >         It wasn't hard to notice ... it is one of the ports
>         I am
>         >         active in in
>         >         doing the ports and submitting patches back to their
>         repo ...
>         >         >
>         >         So you host the download for Firefox, Thunderbird
>         etc also?
>         >         Did you even
>         >         get in touch with the developers ... maybe they have
>         a
>         >         counting system
>         >         or something to check the downloads for those files?
>         What if
>         >         the
>         >         download for those files stop when everyone is using
>         yours
>         >         (even though
>         >         a newer is online?). A guy could loose interest when
>         there is
>         >         no
>         >         download for the stuff he is doing ...
>         >
>         > There's nothing stopping someone from taking one of these
>         files and
>         > putting it up on BeBits or anywhere else so what does it
>         matter if
>         > it's on Haikuware?
>         
>         
>         They have been put up on BeBits by the maintainers ... it's
>         not the same
>         as downloading them and hosting them on another place ...
> 
> This is not entirely true. There are plenty of files on BeBits that
> were put there by other people. And like Karl mentioned before if the
> maintainers don't want their software on Haikuware then they can
> contact us and we'll take it down. That's the way that any other site
> works. Take YouTube for example, they only take stuff down upon the
> request of the copyright owner. It's a very similar concept. 
>  
>         
So it's ok to provide copyright material from other people?
>         
>         
>         >
>         >
>         >         >
>         >         >
>         >         >
>         >         >         >  Also, I didn't download sources. There
>         are very
>         >         few sources
>         >         >         > available. I thought long and hard about
>         this one.
>         >         I don't
>         >         >         want
>         >         >         > Haikuware to become a repository for
>         source code.
>         >         It would
>         >         >         demand too
>         >         >         > much I think for the way the website
>         would be
>         >         managed, and
>         >         >         OSDrawer
>         >         >         > already does a good job in this respect.
>         >
>         >
>         >         That is indeed something I agree on .. hosting
>         sources is
>         >         greatly done
>         >         by OSDrawer and haikuports at the moment ...
>         >
>         >         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
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