[openbeos] Re: Site Audit

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Schrijvers Luc <Begasus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On za, 2008-10-11 at 15:59 -0400, Karl vom Dorff wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Schrijvers Luc <Begasus@xxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >         On za, 2008-10-11 at 13:56 -0400, Karl vom Dorff wrote:
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Oliver Ruiz Dorantes
> >         > <oliver.ruiz.dorantes@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >         >
> >         >         Amazing work Karl,
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >         I am sure many of us had this idea in mind. In fact
> >         I worked
> >         >         in some zoho formularies which people could submit
> >         wanted
> >         >         applications and other could post something like a
> >         url mirror.
> >         >         To "save" the application. Maybe this can be added
> >         in
> >         >         Haikuware somehow Karl?
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > Not sure I understand what you mean... I want to try to get
> >         away from
> >         > people submitting their own mirrors and links to files. If
> >         everything
> >         > is all in one place, even if it goes down, it would be a lot
> >         easier to
> >         > retrieve than if files are scattered all over the web.
> >         >
> >         >         Some Comments:
> >         >
> >         >         - I hope in your SPIDER-WEB manual job you also
> >         retrieved all
> >         >         possible sources. Even if the app is zeta only or is
> >         old, the
> >         >         application can be ported and updated somewhere in
> >         time.
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > I didn't. I didn't download or add Zeta apps because Zeta is
> >         dead.
> >
> >
> >         I can't get it why you have to remove the ZETA apps? ZETA
> >         dead ... you
> >         are right there ... it has no future and is not developped ...
> >         but that
> >         goes for R5 too, are you removing R5 downloads also then?
> >         Your reasons for not adding them don't add up ...
> >
> > It's purely logical. Haiku is meant to be binary compatible with BeOS
> > R5 NOT Zeta. Therefore Zeta applications are dead and have no future
> > (many requiring libzeta).
> >
> Haiku compiled apps wont even run in R5 nor ZETA, ZETA compiled apps
> (when not linked against libzeta) can run on R5, Haiku and ZETA ...
> Furthermore ... one of the things like the network is probably more
> compatible with ZETA then it is with R5 ...



>
> where is the problem there?
>


The problem is you're looking at things backwards. Haiku doesn't claim that
Haiku compiled apps will run on BeOS, but that BeOS apps compiled on BeOS
will run on Haiku.


> >
> >
> >         Another thing I'm having a bit of a problem with is the fact
> >         that you
> >         host files on haikuware that are activaly being
> >         maintained/ported by
> >         others, you are using screenshots that you copy'd from the
> >         original
> >         place etc.
> >
> > Sure, I don't have time to take 2000+ screenshots. It should look the
> > same way on BeOS as it does on Haiku if the application is to be
> > binary compatible, that's why I used any screenshots that were already
> > available.
> >
> I'm not even that upset about the screenshots as I am about the fact
> that you host files that are hosted on the porters site themselves.
> Most people know that I'm doing ports for BeOS/ZETA/Haiku .. I try not
> to make any differance when I'm compiling .. but sometimes it just takes
> ZETA to be able to compile the thing.
> I am also trying to go with Haiku as much as I can, as both R5 and ZETA
> have no future anymore ... but I still keep in mind that there are still
> quite a number of people around using those 2 OS's.
>
> You can host the files in case of a website going down, but further then
> that it's good policy to link to the other hosting pages.
> The tuxpaint port is also hosted on Bill's own page ... the port I made
> is linked to that one so he can also check what files are downloaded and
> wich os's are still interesting for him (he asked me for the port to put
> up there).
> >
> >
> >         Don't get me wrong .. the idea behind it all is a good one ..
> >         but you
> >         should've asked around a bit 'before' you added BeBits
> >         contents over.
> >         Some of the ports are even older on haikuware then the actual
> >         release at
> >         the moment on BeBits and the original port (freeciv for one).
> >
> > True, but very few. I started the project 8 months ago. In that time
> > some of the applications that I already submitted, may have been
> > updated in the meantime (i.e FireFox, Thunderbid). I'll have to review
> > this. Help is welcome, thanks for noting that application.
> >
> It wasn't hard to notice ... it is one of the ports I am active in in
> doing the ports and submitting patches back to their repo ...
> >
> So you host the download for Firefox, Thunderbird etc also? Did you even
> get in touch with the developers ... maybe they have a counting system
> or something to check the downloads for those files? What if the
> download for those files stop when everyone is using yours (even though
> a newer is online?). A guy could loose interest when there is no
> download for the stuff he is doing ...
> >
> >
> >
> >         >  Also, I didn't download sources. There are very few sources
> >         > available. I thought long and hard about this one. I don't
> >         want
> >         > Haikuware to become a repository for source code. It would
> >         demand too
> >         > much I think for the way the website would be managed, and
> >         OSDrawer
> >         > already does a good job in this respect.
>
> That is indeed something I agree on .. hosting sources is greatly done
> by OSDrawer and haikuports at the moment ...
>
> >
>
>
>


-- 
Karl vom Dorff
B.Sc (Hons) Biology, (German minor)

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