[openbeos] Re: Site Audit

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Schrijvers Luc <Begasus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On za, 2008-10-11 at 17:46 -0300, Dennis d'Entremont wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Schrijvers Luc <Begasus@xxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> >         On za, 2008-10-11 at 15:59 -0400, Karl vom Dorff wrote:
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Schrijvers Luc
> >         <Begasus@xxxxxxxxx>
> >         > wrote:
> >         >         On za, 2008-10-11 at 13:56 -0400, Karl vom Dorff
> >         wrote:
> >         >         >
> >         >         >
> >         >         > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Oliver Ruiz
> >         Dorantes
> >         >         > <oliver.ruiz.dorantes@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >         >         >
> >         >         >         Amazing work Karl,
> >         >         >
> >         >         >
> >         >         >         I am sure many of us had this idea in
> >         mind. In fact
> >         >         I worked
> >         >         >         in some zoho formularies which people
> >         could submit
> >         >         wanted
> >         >         >         applications and other could post
> >         something like a
> >         >         url mirror.
> >         >         >         To "save" the application. Maybe this can
> >         be added
> >         >         in
> >         >         >         Haikuware somehow Karl?
> >         >         >
> >         >         >
> >         >         >
> >         >         > Not sure I understand what you mean... I want to
> >         try to get
> >         >         away from
> >         >         > people submitting their own mirrors and links to
> >         files. If
> >         >         everything
> >         >         > is all in one place, even if it goes down, it
> >         would be a lot
> >         >         easier to
> >         >         > retrieve than if files are scattered all over the
> >         web.
> >         >         >
> >         >         >         Some Comments:
> >         >         >
> >         >         >         - I hope in your SPIDER-WEB manual job you
> >         also
> >         >         retrieved all
> >         >         >         possible sources. Even if the app is zeta
> >         only or is
> >         >         old, the
> >         >         >         application can be ported and updated
> >         somewhere in
> >         >         time.
> >         >         >
> >         >         >
> >         >         > I didn't. I didn't download or add Zeta apps
> >         because Zeta is
> >         >         dead.
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >         I can't get it why you have to remove the ZETA apps?
> >         ZETA
> >         >         dead ... you
> >         >         are right there ... it has no future and is not
> >         developped ...
> >         >         but that
> >         >         goes for R5 too, are you removing R5 downloads also
> >         then?
> >         >         Your reasons for not adding them don't add up ...
> >         >
> >         > It's purely logical. Haiku is meant to be binary compatible
> >         with BeOS
> >         > R5 NOT Zeta. Therefore Zeta applications are dead and have
> >         no future
> >         > (many requiring libzeta).
> >         >
> >
> I agree with Karl's reasoning on this. If there are ports that work on
> Haiku then they could be included.
>
> There is no mention of that anyware ...
> qoute:
> "I didn't. I didn't download or add Zeta apps because Zeta is dead."
>
> Again ... you did! Freeciv is not running on R5, offialy on ZETA only
> (but should run on R5 BONE also - never checked here). So far for
> checking ...


I didn't physically check but read this:

"Running on ZETA (should run on BONE also due to the use of the network
client - not supported by libnet in plain R5)."

I asked Haiku developers long ago, which software should be compatible with
Haiku, the normal R5 netstack or bone? They said either should be fine, so
that's why I added this software because it said 'should run on R5 BONE.

>
>
> >         Haiku compiled apps wont even run in R5 nor ZETA, ZETA
> >         compiled apps
> >         (when not linked against libzeta) can run on R5, Haiku and
> >         ZETA ...
> >         Furthermore ... one of the things like the network is probably
> >         more
> >         compatible with ZETA then it is with R5 ...
> >
> >         where is the problem there?
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >         Another thing I'm having a bit of a problem with is
> >         the fact
> >         >         that you
> >         >         host files on haikuware that are activaly being
> >         >         maintained/ported by
> >         >         others, you are using screenshots that you copy'd
> >         from the
> >         >         original
> >         >         place etc.
> >         >
> >         > Sure, I don't have time to take 2000+ screenshots. It should
> >         look the
> >         > same way on BeOS as it does on Haiku if the application is
> >         to be
> >         > binary compatible, that's why I used any screenshots that
> >         were already
> >         > available.
> >         >
> >
> >         I'm not even that upset about the screenshots as I am about
> >         the fact
> >         that you host files that are hosted on the porters site
> >         themselves.
> >         Most people know that I'm doing ports for BeOS/ZETA/Haiku .. I
> >         try not
> >         to make any differance when I'm compiling .. but sometimes it
> >         just takes
> >         ZETA to be able to compile the thing.
> >         I am also trying to go with Haiku as much as I can, as both R5
> >         and ZETA
> >         have no future anymore ... but I still keep in mind that there
> >         are still
> >         quite a number of people around using those 2 OS's.
> >
> >  Yes but Haikuware is centered on Haiku not R5 or Zeta.
> >
>
> K but why host R5 files then?
> >
> >
> >         You can host the files in case of a website going down, but
> >         further then
> >         that it's good policy to link to the other hosting pages.
> >         The tuxpaint port is also hosted on Bill's own page ... the
> >         port I made
> >         is linked to that one so he can also check what files are
> >         downloaded and
> >         wich os's are still interesting for him (he asked me for the
> >         port to put
> >         up there).
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >         Don't get me wrong .. the idea behind it all is a
> >         good one ..
> >         >         but you
> >         >         should've asked around a bit 'before' you added
> >         BeBits
> >         >         contents over.
> >         >         Some of the ports are even older on haikuware then
> >         the actual
> >         >         release at
> >         >         the moment on BeBits and the original port (freeciv
> >         for one).
> >         >
> >         > True, but very few. I started the project 8 months ago. In
> >         that time
> >         > some of the applications that I already submitted, may have
> >         been
> >         > updated in the meantime (i.e FireFox, Thunderbid). I'll have
> >         to review
> >         > this. Help is welcome, thanks for noting that application.
> >         >
> >
> >         It wasn't hard to notice ... it is one of the ports I am
> >         active in in
> >         doing the ports and submitting patches back to their repo ...
> >         >
> >         So you host the download for Firefox, Thunderbird etc also?
> >         Did you even
> >         get in touch with the developers ... maybe they have a
> >         counting system
> >         or something to check the downloads for those files? What if
> >         the
> >         download for those files stop when everyone is using yours
> >         (even though
> >         a newer is online?). A guy could loose interest when there is
> >         no
> >         download for the stuff he is doing ...
> >
> > There's nothing stopping someone from taking one of these files and
> > putting it up on BeBits or anywhere else so what does it matter if
> > it's on Haikuware?
>
> They have been put up on BeBits by the maintainers ... it's not the same
> as downloading them and hosting them on another place ...
>
> >
> >
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >         >  Also, I didn't download sources. There are very
> >         few sources
> >         >         > available. I thought long and hard about this one.
> >         I don't
> >         >         want
> >         >         > Haikuware to become a repository for source code.
> >         It would
> >         >         demand too
> >         >         > much I think for the way the website would be
> >         managed, and
> >         >         OSDrawer
> >         >         > already does a good job in this respect.
> >
> >
> >         That is indeed something I agree on .. hosting sources is
> >         greatly done
> >         by OSDrawer and haikuports at the moment ...
> >
> >         >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Karl vom Dorff
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