[openbeos] Re: Site Audit

On za, 2008-10-11 at 17:46 -0300, Dennis d'Entremont wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Schrijvers Luc <Begasus@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>         
>         On za, 2008-10-11 at 15:59 -0400, Karl vom Dorff wrote:
>         >
>         >
>         > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Schrijvers Luc
>         <Begasus@xxxxxxxxx>
>         > wrote:
>         >         On za, 2008-10-11 at 13:56 -0400, Karl vom Dorff
>         wrote:
>         >         >
>         >         >
>         >         > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Oliver Ruiz
>         Dorantes
>         >         > <oliver.ruiz.dorantes@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>         >         >
>         >         >         Amazing work Karl,
>         >         >
>         >         >
>         >         >         I am sure many of us had this idea in
>         mind. In fact
>         >         I worked
>         >         >         in some zoho formularies which people
>         could submit
>         >         wanted
>         >         >         applications and other could post
>         something like a
>         >         url mirror.
>         >         >         To "save" the application. Maybe this can
>         be added
>         >         in
>         >         >         Haikuware somehow Karl?
>         >         >
>         >         >
>         >         >
>         >         > Not sure I understand what you mean... I want to
>         try to get
>         >         away from
>         >         > people submitting their own mirrors and links to
>         files. If
>         >         everything
>         >         > is all in one place, even if it goes down, it
>         would be a lot
>         >         easier to
>         >         > retrieve than if files are scattered all over the
>         web.
>         >         >
>         >         >         Some Comments:
>         >         >
>         >         >         - I hope in your SPIDER-WEB manual job you
>         also
>         >         retrieved all
>         >         >         possible sources. Even if the app is zeta
>         only or is
>         >         old, the
>         >         >         application can be ported and updated
>         somewhere in
>         >         time.
>         >         >
>         >         >
>         >         > I didn't. I didn't download or add Zeta apps
>         because Zeta is
>         >         dead.
>         >
>         >
>         >         I can't get it why you have to remove the ZETA apps?
>         ZETA
>         >         dead ... you
>         >         are right there ... it has no future and is not
>         developped ...
>         >         but that
>         >         goes for R5 too, are you removing R5 downloads also
>         then?
>         >         Your reasons for not adding them don't add up ...
>         >
>         > It's purely logical. Haiku is meant to be binary compatible
>         with BeOS
>         > R5 NOT Zeta. Therefore Zeta applications are dead and have
>         no future
>         > (many requiring libzeta).
>         >
>         
I agree with Karl's reasoning on this. If there are ports that work on
Haiku then they could be included.

There is no mention of that anyware ... 
qoute:
"I didn't. I didn't download or add Zeta apps because Zeta is dead."

Again ... you did! Freeciv is not running on R5, offialy on ZETA only
(but should run on R5 BONE also - never checked here). So far for
checking ...
 
>         Haiku compiled apps wont even run in R5 nor ZETA, ZETA
>         compiled apps
>         (when not linked against libzeta) can run on R5, Haiku and
>         ZETA ...
>         Furthermore ... one of the things like the network is probably
>         more
>         compatible with ZETA then it is with R5 ...
>         
>         where is the problem there?
>         >
>         >
>         >         Another thing I'm having a bit of a problem with is
>         the fact
>         >         that you
>         >         host files on haikuware that are activaly being
>         >         maintained/ported by
>         >         others, you are using screenshots that you copy'd
>         from the
>         >         original
>         >         place etc.
>         >
>         > Sure, I don't have time to take 2000+ screenshots. It should
>         look the
>         > same way on BeOS as it does on Haiku if the application is
>         to be
>         > binary compatible, that's why I used any screenshots that
>         were already
>         > available.
>         >
>         
>         I'm not even that upset about the screenshots as I am about
>         the fact
>         that you host files that are hosted on the porters site
>         themselves.
>         Most people know that I'm doing ports for BeOS/ZETA/Haiku .. I
>         try not
>         to make any differance when I'm compiling .. but sometimes it
>         just takes
>         ZETA to be able to compile the thing.
>         I am also trying to go with Haiku as much as I can, as both R5
>         and ZETA
>         have no future anymore ... but I still keep in mind that there
>         are still
>         quite a number of people around using those 2 OS's.
> 
>  Yes but Haikuware is centered on Haiku not R5 or Zeta. 
>  

K but why host R5 files then? 
>         
>         
>         You can host the files in case of a website going down, but
>         further then
>         that it's good policy to link to the other hosting pages.
>         The tuxpaint port is also hosted on Bill's own page ... the
>         port I made
>         is linked to that one so he can also check what files are
>         downloaded and
>         wich os's are still interesting for him (he asked me for the
>         port to put
>         up there).
>         >
>         >
>         >         Don't get me wrong .. the idea behind it all is a
>         good one ..
>         >         but you
>         >         should've asked around a bit 'before' you added
>         BeBits
>         >         contents over.
>         >         Some of the ports are even older on haikuware then
>         the actual
>         >         release at
>         >         the moment on BeBits and the original port (freeciv
>         for one).
>         >
>         > True, but very few. I started the project 8 months ago. In
>         that time
>         > some of the applications that I already submitted, may have
>         been
>         > updated in the meantime (i.e FireFox, Thunderbid). I'll have
>         to review
>         > this. Help is welcome, thanks for noting that application.
>         >
>         
>         It wasn't hard to notice ... it is one of the ports I am
>         active in in
>         doing the ports and submitting patches back to their repo ...
>         >
>         So you host the download for Firefox, Thunderbird etc also?
>         Did you even
>         get in touch with the developers ... maybe they have a
>         counting system
>         or something to check the downloads for those files? What if
>         the
>         download for those files stop when everyone is using yours
>         (even though
>         a newer is online?). A guy could loose interest when there is
>         no
>         download for the stuff he is doing ...
> 
> There's nothing stopping someone from taking one of these files and
> putting it up on BeBits or anywhere else so what does it matter if
> it's on Haikuware? 

They have been put up on BeBits by the maintainers ... it's not the same
as downloading them and hosting them on another place ...

>  
>         
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >         >  Also, I didn't download sources. There are very
>         few sources
>         >         > available. I thought long and hard about this one.
>         I don't
>         >         want
>         >         > Haikuware to become a repository for source code.
>         It would
>         >         demand too
>         >         > much I think for the way the website would be
>         managed, and
>         >         OSDrawer
>         >         > already does a good job in this respect.
>         
>         
>         That is indeed something I agree on .. hosting sources is
>         greatly done
>         by OSDrawer and haikuports at the moment ...
>         
>         >
>         
>         
> 
> 
> 
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