[openbeos] Re: Site Audit

On za, 2008-10-11 at 15:59 -0400, Karl vom Dorff wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Schrijvers Luc <Begasus@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>         On za, 2008-10-11 at 13:56 -0400, Karl vom Dorff wrote:
>         >
>         >
>         > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Oliver Ruiz Dorantes
>         > <oliver.ruiz.dorantes@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>         >
>         >         Amazing work Karl,
>         >
>         >
>         >         I am sure many of us had this idea in mind. In fact
>         I worked
>         >         in some zoho formularies which people could submit
>         wanted
>         >         applications and other could post something like a
>         url mirror.
>         >         To "save" the application. Maybe this can be added
>         in
>         >         Haikuware somehow Karl?
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         > Not sure I understand what you mean... I want to try to get
>         away from
>         > people submitting their own mirrors and links to files. If
>         everything
>         > is all in one place, even if it goes down, it would be a lot
>         easier to
>         > retrieve than if files are scattered all over the web.
>         >
>         >         Some Comments:
>         >
>         >         - I hope in your SPIDER-WEB manual job you also
>         retrieved all
>         >         possible sources. Even if the app is zeta only or is
>         old, the
>         >         application can be ported and updated somewhere in
>         time.
>         >
>         >
>         > I didn't. I didn't download or add Zeta apps because Zeta is
>         dead.
>         
>         
>         I can't get it why you have to remove the ZETA apps? ZETA
>         dead ... you
>         are right there ... it has no future and is not developped ...
>         but that
>         goes for R5 too, are you removing R5 downloads also then?
>         Your reasons for not adding them don't add up ...
> 
> It's purely logical. Haiku is meant to be binary compatible with BeOS
> R5 NOT Zeta. Therefore Zeta applications are dead and have no future
> (many requiring libzeta).
> 
Haiku compiled apps wont even run in R5 nor ZETA, ZETA compiled apps
(when not linked against libzeta) can run on R5, Haiku and ZETA ...
Furthermore ... one of the things like the network is probably more
compatible with ZETA then it is with R5 ...

where is the problem there?
>         
>         
>         Another thing I'm having a bit of a problem with is the fact
>         that you
>         host files on haikuware that are activaly being
>         maintained/ported by
>         others, you are using screenshots that you copy'd from the
>         original
>         place etc.
> 
> Sure, I don't have time to take 2000+ screenshots. It should look the
> same way on BeOS as it does on Haiku if the application is to be
> binary compatible, that's why I used any screenshots that were already
> available. 
> 
I'm not even that upset about the screenshots as I am about the fact
that you host files that are hosted on the porters site themselves.
Most people know that I'm doing ports for BeOS/ZETA/Haiku .. I try not
to make any differance when I'm compiling .. but sometimes it just takes
ZETA to be able to compile the thing.
I am also trying to go with Haiku as much as I can, as both R5 and ZETA
have no future anymore ... but I still keep in mind that there are still
quite a number of people around using those 2 OS's.

You can host the files in case of a website going down, but further then
that it's good policy to link to the other hosting pages. 
The tuxpaint port is also hosted on Bill's own page ... the port I made
is linked to that one so he can also check what files are downloaded and
wich os's are still interesting for him (he asked me for the port to put
up there).
>         
>         
>         Don't get me wrong .. the idea behind it all is a good one ..
>         but you
>         should've asked around a bit 'before' you added BeBits
>         contents over.
>         Some of the ports are even older on haikuware then the actual
>         release at
>         the moment on BeBits and the original port (freeciv for one).
> 
> True, but very few. I started the project 8 months ago. In that time
> some of the applications that I already submitted, may have been
> updated in the meantime (i.e FireFox, Thunderbid). I'll have to review
> this. Help is welcome, thanks for noting that application. 
> 
It wasn't hard to notice ... it is one of the ports I am active in in
doing the ports and submitting patches back to their repo ...
> 
So you host the download for Firefox, Thunderbird etc also? Did you even
get in touch with the developers ... maybe they have a counting system
or something to check the downloads for those files? What if the
download for those files stop when everyone is using yours (even though
a newer is online?). A guy could loose interest when there is no
download for the stuff he is doing ... 
>         
>         
>         
>         >  Also, I didn't download sources. There are very few sources
>         > available. I thought long and hard about this one. I don't
>         want
>         > Haikuware to become a repository for source code. It would
>         demand too
>         > much I think for the way the website would be managed, and
>         OSDrawer
>         > already does a good job in this respect. 

That is indeed something I agree on .. hosting sources is greatly done
by OSDrawer and haikuports at the moment ... 

>

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