[openbeos] Re: Site Audit

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Schrijvers Luc <Begasus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On za, 2008-10-11 at 13:56 -0400, Karl vom Dorff wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Oliver Ruiz Dorantes
> > <oliver.ruiz.dorantes@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >         Amazing work Karl,
> >
> >
> >         I am sure many of us had this idea in mind. In fact I worked
> >         in some zoho formularies which people could submit wanted
> >         applications and other could post something like a url mirror.
> >         To "save" the application. Maybe this can be added in
> >         Haikuware somehow Karl?
> >
> >
> >
> > Not sure I understand what you mean... I want to try to get away from
> > people submitting their own mirrors and links to files. If everything
> > is all in one place, even if it goes down, it would be a lot easier to
> > retrieve than if files are scattered all over the web.
> >
> >         Some Comments:
> >
> >         - I hope in your SPIDER-WEB manual job you also retrieved all
> >         possible sources. Even if the app is zeta only or is old, the
> >         application can be ported and updated somewhere in time.
> >
> >
> > I didn't. I didn't download or add Zeta apps because Zeta is dead.
>
> I can't get it why you have to remove the ZETA apps? ZETA dead ... you
> are right there ... it has no future and is not developped ... but that
> goes for R5 too, are you removing R5 downloads also then?
> Your reasons for not adding them don't add up ...


It's purely logical. Haiku is meant to be binary compatible with BeOS R5 *
NOT* Zeta. Therefore Zeta applications are dead and have no future (many
requiring libzeta).

>
>
> Another thing I'm having a bit of a problem with is the fact that you
> host files on haikuware that are activaly being maintained/ported by
> others, you are using screenshots that you copy'd from the original
> place etc.


Sure, I don't have time to take 2000+ screenshots. It should look the same
way on BeOS as it does on Haiku if the application is to be binary
compatible, that's why I used any screenshots that were already available.

>
>
> Don't get me wrong .. the idea behind it all is a good one .. but you
> should've asked around a bit 'before' you added BeBits contents over.
> Some of the ports are even older on haikuware then the actual release at
> the moment on BeBits and the original port (freeciv for one).


True, but very few. I started the project 8 months ago. In that time some of
the applications that I already submitted, may have been updated in the
meantime (i.e FireFox, Thunderbid). I'll have to review this. Help is
welcome, thanks for noting that application.


>
> >  Also, I didn't download sources. There are very few sources
> > available. I thought long and hard about this one. I don't want
> > Haikuware to become a repository for source code. It would demand too
> > much I think for the way the website would be managed, and OSDrawer
> > already does a good job in this respect. I looked at download.com,
> > VersionTracker, and several other big software websites; none of them
> > host sources.
> >
> > Sources are easy enough to find though. If they did exist, that meant
> > the software existed either on BeBits or the developer's homepage. I
> > still have the links posted on Haikuware to every author's website
> > that submitted their website with the software to BeBits.
> >
> >         - The list and this anouncement must be public. The list in
> >          plan txt(as requested) might help to search in our personal
> >         entire archive. I might be able to do something automatic with
> >         that saving in cvs might to most of the work. In my company
> >         they are excel genious. And then a easy script bash script if
> >         the a given archive path, constains somethe that is present in
> >         that TXt file. As apps are getting recovered they could be
> >         marked as it is and, i guess seeing this motivates people to
> >         submit their files.
> >
> >
> >
> > I tried to make the list public here... Meanwhile made an easy list
> > here:
> >
> > http://www.xs4all.nl/~rrvvww/haikuwareABC.txt<http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Errvvww/haikuwareABC.txt>
> >
> > But the easiest way would be for me to invite you to the GoogleDoc,
> > that way, as a collaborator we all have access to the same file, and
> > can edit the file, i.e delete missing files off of the spreadsheet
> > once they're found.
> >
> >         - How do we make you arrive the files? I just have a webdav
> >         account in gmx which i could share but others? anyone with a
> >         ftp to be able to drop the files?
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone with a Haikuware account can upload missing files via the
> > online web interface...
> >
> >  http://www.haikuware.com/upload
> >
> > Alternatively, I've opened an anonymous FTP folder. Just ftp to
> > haikuware.com and drop anything you may have in the incoming folder
> > (500 mb quota).
> >
> >         Proposal: declare something like a "beshare sharing week"
> >         where all comunity shares its archive. Therefore Karl and
> >         other individuals could complete the "Target app database"
> >
> >
> >
> > Excellent idea!
> >
> >         -  An App its not safe with only the binary, at the time Haiku
> >         switches to gcc4 that app would be old, and lost as could not
> >         be used anymore. So now might be a good chance to beg for
> >         opensourcing, submit binary and src, to ensure the app is
> >         alive forever.
> >
> >         Vamos!!
> >
> >         2008/10/11 Schrijvers Luc <Begasus@xxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >
> >                 Is BeBits going down?!
> >
> >                 On vr, 2008-10-10 at 14:59 -0400, Karl vom Dorff
> >                 wrote:
> >                 > Dear Community,
> >                 >
> >                 > It's probably no surprise to many of you (as you see
> >                 the number of
> >                 > files on Haikuware increase) that I've been spending
> >                 the last while
> >                 > auditing BeBits.
> >                 >
> >                 > I think it's important to have a software base ready
> >                 for when Haiku's
> >                 > ready, and if users have to deal with the vast
> >                 amount of missing
> >                 > software at BeBits where ~35% (conservative
> >                 estimate) of the files are
> >                 > missing, they will surely get frustrated! Some may
> >                 argue, why bother?
> >                 > The software is old! To them I would say - old
> >                 software doesn't
> >                 > necessarily equate to bad software... Also, imagine
> >                 if BeBits were
> >                 > gone tomorrow. That would be a great loss.
> >                 >
> >                 > To make a long story short, here's what I've been
> >                 doing:
> >                 >
> >                 >       * downloading all available files. When there
> >                 was missing
> >                 >         software, I would check against the file
> >                 name at: a) BeShare
> >                 >         b) Archive.org c) Google d) Check the
> >                 Talkback comments for
> >                 >         links. In short, if the missing files were
> >                 available somewhere
> >                 >         on the net, they have to be hiding pretty
> >                 good...
> >                 >       * importing the files, descriptions, dates,
> >                 icons, etc. Adding
> >                 >         archived links to author homepages if they
> >                 disappeared, etc.
> >                 >       * centralizing all the files on one server
> >                 (later to be mirrored
> >                 >         in Europe and Asia) so that the infamous
> >                 BeBits 'missing
> >                 >         file/dead link' never happens again.
> >                 >       * linking files only to one category. BeBits
> >                 is confusing and
> >                 >         misleading because files are listed in
> >                 multiple categories
> >                 >         (artificially inflating the file counts in
> >                 each category. e.g
> >                 >         total file count listed on their frontpage
> >                 when adding all
> >                 >         together = 6500, actual files = 3535). So
> >                 when you're browsing
> >                 >         software, you don't know whether you've
> >                 already passed by the
> >                 >         file you're looking at or not therefore
> >                 wasting time. Not to
> >                 >         mention wasting time finding a link that
> >                 works or visiting
> >                 >         unwelcomed porn sites hehe.
> >                 >       * removed Zeta software.
> >                 >
> >                 > I'm 90% complete the task, and will be spending the
> >                 next 2-3 weeks
> >                 > finishing. BeBits lists 3535 'files' on their
> >                 website, of which I
> >                 > estimate 35% are gone (= 2298 actual files). Today I
> >                 uploaded the
> >                 > 2222nd file to Haikuware, meaning very shortly,
> >                 Haikuware may be the
> >                 > largest (but not most popular) online provider of
> >                 BeOS (and Haiku if
> >                 > Haiku R1 achieves binary compatibilty) software (and
> >                 maybe retro
> >                 > software in general)... But that's not really the
> >                 point.
> >                 >
> >                 > The point is, I'd like to salvage as much BeOS
> >                 software as possible.
> >                 > I'd like to ask the community to contribute any
> >                 missing files (that
> >                 > I'm sure they have on CDs in their basements) my
> >                 way, so I can fill
> >                 > the missing gaps. I've tried to keep a record
> >                 (sometimes GoogleDocs
> >                 > crashed on me) of the missing files, and for the
> >                 most part, should be
> >                 > pretty complete. You can view the documents here (in
> >                 XLS, ODF):
> >                 >
> >                 >
> >
> http://www.haikuware.com/downloads/registered/haikuware.zip
> >                 >
> >                 > Although I would hope most people see this endeavour
> >                 as a good thing,
> >                 > I can appreciate that some developers may not like
> >                 their software
> >                 > hosted at Haikuware. Please contact me, and I'll
> >                 remove whatever you
> >                 > wish.
> >                 >
> >                 > Lastly, I know the design of Haikuware lacks in
> >                 function, speed, and
> >                 > aesthetics (compared to BeBits). Once I'm done with
> >                 all the files,
> >                 > I'll be re-designing the website and hope to have it
> >                 ready for the
> >                 > Alpha 1 release. I'm looking at an RoR design
> >                 perhaps. Something that
> >                 > will be able to stand a huge database and lots of
> >                 traffic. I'm also
> >                 > looking to create a unique website that will combine
> >                 the best parts of
> >                 > VersionTracker, BeBits, Download.com, etc.
> >                 Therefore, if anyone can
> >                 > recommend a good developer/team or has any
> >                 suggestions I'd be
> >                 > greatful. Also, if anyone here thinks they may be up
> >                 to this task (I'd
> >                 > like to keep the work in the community if possible),
> >                 contact me
> >                 > privately with your resume. It has to be someone
> >                 with serious
> >                 > credentials (not a Joomla hacker like me) with 6-8
> >                 weeks of full-time
> >                 > labour. A full proposal is in the works, and will
> >                 probably be 20-30
> >                 > pages. Ask for my budget - serious enquiries only
> >                 please.
> >                 >
> >                 >
> >                 >
> >                 >
> >                 > --
> >                 > Karl vom Dorff
> >                 > B.Sc (Hons) Biology, (German minor)
> >                 >
> >                 > http://www.karlvd.com
> >                 > http://www.clubloreley.org
> >                 > http://www.haikuware.com
> >                 >
> >                 >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >         --
> >         Oliver,
> >
> >         http://urnenfeld.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Karl vom Dorff
> > B.Sc (Hons) Biology, (German minor)
> >
> > http://www.karlvd.com
> > http://www.clubloreley.org
> > http://www.haikuware.com
> >
> >
>
>
>


-- 
Karl vom Dorff
B.Sc (Hons) Biology, (German minor)

http://www.karlvd.com
http://www.clubloreley.org
http://www.haikuware.com

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