[openbeos] Re: Site Audit

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Oliver Ruiz Dorantes <
oliver.ruiz.dorantes@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>
> Amazing work Karl,
>
> I am sure many of us had this idea in mind. In fact I worked in some zoho
> formularies which people could submit wanted applications and other could
> post something like a url mirror. To "save" the application. Maybe this can
> be added in Haikuware somehow Karl?
>

Not sure I understand what you mean... I want to try to get away from people
submitting their own mirrors and links to files. If everything is all in one
place, even if it goes down, it would be a lot easier to retrieve than if
files are scattered all over the web.

> Some Comments:
>
> - I hope in your SPIDER-WEB manual job you also retrieved all possible
> sources. Even if the app is zeta only or is old, the application can be
> ported and updated somewhere in time.
>
I didn't. I didn't download or add Zeta apps because Zeta is dead. Also, I
didn't download sources. There are very few sources available. I thought
long and hard about this one. I don't want Haikuware to become a repository
for source code. It would demand too much I think for the way the website
would be managed, and OSDrawer already does a good job in this respect. I
looked at download.com, VersionTracker, and several other big software
websites; none of them host sources.

Sources are easy enough to find though. If they did exist, that meant the
software existed either on BeBits or the developer's homepage. I still have
the links posted on Haikuware to every author's website that submitted their
website with the software to BeBits.

> - The list and this anouncement must be public. The list in  plan txt(as
> requested) might help to search in our personal entire archive. I might be
> able to do something automatic with that saving in cvs might to most of the
> work. In my company they are excel genious. And then a easy script bash
> script if the a given archive path, constains somethe that is present in
> that TXt file. As apps are getting recovered they could be marked as it is
> and, i guess seeing this motivates people to submit their files.
>

I tried to make the list public here... Meanwhile made an easy list here:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rrvvww/haikuwareABC.txt

But the easiest way would be for me to invite you to the GoogleDoc, that
way, as a collaborator we all have access to the same file, and can edit the
file, i.e delete missing files off of the spreadsheet once they're found.

> - How do we make you arrive the files? I just have a webdav account in gmx
> which i could share but others? anyone with a ftp to be able to drop the
> files?
>

Anyone with a Haikuware account can upload missing files via the online web
interface...

 http://www.haikuware.com/upload

Alternatively, I've opened an anonymous FTP folder. Just ftp to
haikuware.com and drop anything you may have in the incoming folder (500 mb
quota).

> Proposal: declare something like a "beshare sharing week" where all
> comunity shares its archive. Therefore Karl and other individuals could
> complete the "Target app database"
>

Excellent idea!

> -  An App its not safe with only the binary, at the time Haiku switches to
> gcc4 that app would be old, and lost as could not be used anymore. So now
> might be a good chance to beg for opensourcing, submit binary and src, to
> ensure the app is alive forever.
>
> Vamos!!
>
> 2008/10/11 Schrijvers Luc <Begasus@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> Is BeBits going down?!
>>
>> On vr, 2008-10-10 at 14:59 -0400, Karl vom Dorff wrote:
>> > Dear Community,
>> >
>> > It's probably no surprise to many of you (as you see the number of
>> > files on Haikuware increase) that I've been spending the last while
>> > auditing BeBits.
>> >
>> > I think it's important to have a software base ready for when Haiku's
>> > ready, and if users have to deal with the vast amount of missing
>> > software at BeBits where ~35% (conservative estimate) of the files are
>> > missing, they will surely get frustrated! Some may argue, why bother?
>> > The software is old! To them I would say - old software doesn't
>> > necessarily equate to bad software... Also, imagine if BeBits were
>> > gone tomorrow. That would be a great loss.
>> >
>> > To make a long story short, here's what I've been doing:
>> >
>> >       * downloading all available files. When there was missing
>> >         software, I would check against the file name at: a) BeShare
>> >         b) Archive.org c) Google d) Check the Talkback comments for
>> >         links. In short, if the missing files were available somewhere
>> >         on the net, they have to be hiding pretty good...
>> >       * importing the files, descriptions, dates, icons, etc. Adding
>> >         archived links to author homepages if they disappeared, etc.
>> >       * centralizing all the files on one server (later to be mirrored
>> >         in Europe and Asia) so that the infamous BeBits 'missing
>> >         file/dead link' never happens again.
>> >       * linking files only to one category. BeBits is confusing and
>> >         misleading because files are listed in multiple categories
>> >         (artificially inflating the file counts in each category. e.g
>> >         total file count listed on their frontpage when adding all
>> >         together = 6500, actual files = 3535). So when you're browsing
>> >         software, you don't know whether you've already passed by the
>> >         file you're looking at or not therefore wasting time. Not to
>> >         mention wasting time finding a link that works or visiting
>> >         unwelcomed porn sites hehe.
>> >       * removed Zeta software.
>> >
>> > I'm 90% complete the task, and will be spending the next 2-3 weeks
>> > finishing. BeBits lists 3535 'files' on their website, of which I
>> > estimate 35% are gone (= 2298 actual files). Today I uploaded the
>> > 2222nd file to Haikuware, meaning very shortly, Haikuware may be the
>> > largest (but not most popular) online provider of BeOS (and Haiku if
>> > Haiku R1 achieves binary compatibilty) software (and maybe retro
>> > software in general)... But that's not really the point.
>> >
>> > The point is, I'd like to salvage as much BeOS software as possible.
>> > I'd like to ask the community to contribute any missing files (that
>> > I'm sure they have on CDs in their basements) my way, so I can fill
>> > the missing gaps. I've tried to keep a record (sometimes GoogleDocs
>> > crashed on me) of the missing files, and for the most part, should be
>> > pretty complete. You can view the documents here (in XLS, ODF):
>> >
>> > http://www.haikuware.com/downloads/registered/haikuware.zip
>> >
>> > Although I would hope most people see this endeavour as a good thing,
>> > I can appreciate that some developers may not like their software
>> > hosted at Haikuware. Please contact me, and I'll remove whatever you
>> > wish.
>> >
>> > Lastly, I know the design of Haikuware lacks in function, speed, and
>> > aesthetics (compared to BeBits). Once I'm done with all the files,
>> > I'll be re-designing the website and hope to have it ready for the
>> > Alpha 1 release. I'm looking at an RoR design perhaps. Something that
>> > will be able to stand a huge database and lots of traffic. I'm also
>> > looking to create a unique website that will combine the best parts of
>> > VersionTracker, BeBits, Download.com, etc. Therefore, if anyone can
>> > recommend a good developer/team or has any suggestions I'd be
>> > greatful. Also, if anyone here thinks they may be up to this task (I'd
>> > like to keep the work in the community if possible), contact me
>> > privately with your resume. It has to be someone with serious
>> > credentials (not a Joomla hacker like me) with 6-8 weeks of full-time
>> > labour. A full proposal is in the works, and will probably be 20-30
>> > pages. Ask for my budget - serious enquiries only please.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Karl vom Dorff
>> > B.Sc (Hons) Biology, (German minor)
>> >
>> > http://www.karlvd.com
>> > http://www.clubloreley.org
>> > http://www.haikuware.com
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Oliver,
>
> http://urnenfeld.blogspot.com
>



-- 
Karl vom Dorff
B.Sc (Hons) Biology, (German minor)

http://www.karlvd.com
http://www.clubloreley.org
http://www.haikuware.com

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