>2) The fact that this debate has gone on for so long indicates that there >obviously needs to be a clearer definition of what OpenBeOS R1 is aiming >for... Is it to be an opensource implementation of BeOS R5, an opensource >implementation of Dan0, or are we aiming for something more? This will be an endless debate. I think we shouldn't waste time in debating about little extra features on existing applications. What I know and read on the OBOS-site is that OBOS should be the same as R5. This with some improvements ;). So we should keep on that. We all know we programmers like to put an extra features in an application, but we should be aware that we may not do this all the time. Otherwise the release of R1 would take longer than normal. As long as the improvements are small and not that "new", we should not complain. Keep programming the things that should be programmed first. In R2 you will have the freedom to extend some applications with new features ;) greets Jixt