[openbeos] Re: OBOS icons

> I got the Woody CD's (via jigdo) a week or two ago and
> tried installing. I got stuck in that part where you
> choose which of the packages you want installed. I

How did you get stuck? Did the installer crash?

Usually, I don't really pick much here--if I wanted a bunch of stuff, I'd
probably use mandrake (which btw has a trimmed down install now available
as well, 40 MB IMHO). I apt-get install all the stuff I need later. I
think that if beos had this (automatic upgrade...yes, there are graphical
frontends to this w/ the requisite animations).

> couldn't get out of it so rebooted and took the default
> install. In the end, I booted and my flat-panel was
> blank -- the system would wait a few moments, tell me
> that there was a problem with X, tell me that it was
> working on it, then go blank again and stay that way.
> I couldn't get out of this cycle so, frustrated, wiped
> out the ext2 and swap partitions and put BeOS back on.
> Previously I'd been using Mandrake for a few months.

There is a progeny installer that you can use as well. There is also the
pgi cd, and the libranet installers. All can be freely downloaded.
Libranet is probably your best choice as it's supposed to have an easy
installer and it's the most up to date.
I used
progeny on many systems b/c it has better autodetection. They all can use
the debian repositories.

I like the netinstall, though as it can give you xfs filesystem by
default. Nice.

> I'm not familiar with the BSD's. I've only ever tried
> Mandrake and recently Debian Woody as described above.
>
> My comments were directed at the interaction between the
> "choice is good" mentality and the GPL/LGPL; and its
> effects on the commercial distros that alt.os-ethusiasts
> would be installing in contrast to what I think will
> happen to OBOS. (bleh, that was a mouthful :)
>
>
> > I have been in numerous flames here and the opponents
> > were all spreading misinformation mostly due to their
> > lack of experience, IMHO. obos will be better than linux
> > for a number of reasons, but spreading fud about it by
> > talking about rh and saying 'most distros' is not going
> > to help things. You lose credibility.
>
> Whoa, I'm no opponent. As I mentioned in my original

Sorry, didnt' mean to imply that. In fact, I usually don't post to the
list to answer someone to them, I would just email them privately. I just
wanted the truth to be put out there in public, as I have heard the same
stuff said over and over again that's not true.

> OBOS may end up being a better *desktop* OS than GNU/Linux
> because that's its focus (I assume that's what you meant
> by your above comment). Sorry if I was spreading FUD --
> thanks for letting me know.

My point was that while many linux distros are bloated, they aren't that
way b/c of choice (having bloat or not having bloat is also a choice that
linux gives you). I also wanted to point out that net/open bsd also give
you the same choices, but they are not as bloated as redhat and co as they
install a light system, not unlike debian.

Anyway, I'll try to help you get debian up if you want, off-list. I am
still interested in porting apt to debian. Nobody is going to use it, I
know, but I would learn a lot about it that way.

Having used many package managers, I think that apt is about as perfect as
they come, and that it is just as easy to learn as anything else, and
after 5 minutes of use, much, much easier to use in the long run,
especially if you stick to stable.

Fred

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