[openbeos] Re: Haiku distro guidelines [was: Haiku VmwareBuild Environment]

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 10:52 PM, Jorge G. Mare <koki@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Tue, 2008-04-15 at 21:47 -0400, Karl vom Dorff wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Sean Healy <jalopeura@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >                 Good point. At least I included a license (albeit
> >                 incorrectly), Haiku-Files (run by Haiku) doesn't on
> >                 their website. As well for the packages... i.e:
> >
> >
> >                 # Subversion
> >                 <http://www.haiku-files.org/files/Subversion-1.1.3.pkg>
> >                 # SSH
> >                 <http://www.haiku-files.org/files/ssh-3.9-r5.pkg> [for
> >                 BONE
> >                 <http://www.haiku-files.org/files/ssh-3.9-bone.pkg>]
> >                 # Dev Tools for BeOS R5
> >                 <http://www.bebits.com/app/2680> (replace GCC with
> >                 newer version below)
> >                 # GCC compiler 2.95.3 <http://www.bebits.com/app/4011>
> >                 # Jam Haiku build system tool
> >                 <http://www.haiku-files.org/files/jam.zip>
> >
> >         But these packages are for the system that's building Haiku.
> >         They don't end up on the Haiku image unless specifically
> >         requested when building. And even in that case, they are
> >         downloaded separately. So it's not quite the same thing.
> >
> > Fair enough, though the disk images at Haiku-files.org don't have a
> > license attached with them. What about binutils, gdb included in the
> > operating system? Just like in my case, You can't call the whole thing
> > BSD/MIT. At best, mixed, with an explanation of the mixed licenses...
>
> I believe you are right in that we would need to include the license
> text for each of them, something that apparently we have not been doing
> so far. In all honesty, I don't know why.
>
> Maybe one of the Haiku devs can shed any light?
>
> > Can you just put software on a website though and not mention its
> > license? I mean, every single file on Haikuware or BeBits has a
> > license (on the website). Even if legal, it should probably be
> > displayed as a courtesy.
>
> AFAIK, the requirement is in the distribution package itself. So if you
> put a program that requires the inclusion of the license to any form of
> distribution in ZIP file for people to download, then the license text
> should be included in the ZIP.
>
> >         In any case, I think Karl's doing a good thing here, and I
> >         think he's shown good faith by responding to concerns
> >         addressed on this list. So let's not beat him up too much.
> >
> >         On the other hand, I understand Haiku, Inc's zeal in
> >         protecting the image of Haiku. I think in the end we're not
> >         going to be able to prevent a proliferation of distros a la
> >         Linux, but at least the requirement that it say "based on
> >         Haiku" and be called by some other name will help clear things
> >         up somewhat.
> >
> >         Perhaps Karl needs to rename his version "KarlOS - based on
> >         Haiku" or something like that. Of course, if he's trying to
> >         keep up with progress as it occurs, that might be a little
> >         difficult.
> >
> > Hehe, I'll get back to you on this... The thing is, I never liked to
> > take credit for anything regarding those images, because I really
> > didn't do much. That's why I wrote Haiku Inc. & Karl as the authors of
> > the packages. But, I understand the situation better now.
>
> Great to hear Karl. I am really not trying to make you evil or anything.
> I hope you understand that. In a nutshell, I am just giving a
> perspective that I think many people are missing here (understandably
> perhaps, as Haiku is an engineering-driven project).


I understand fully, and appreciate your input. Your stance is the correct
one.

Nothing more needs to be said, lets close this off! It was a nice Tuesday
night discussion!

>
>
> All being said, in the end it is the development team that makes all
> decisions related to development, including the creation of one or more
> eventual Haiku distributions. So they could well say "screw Jorge and
> his paranoia" and take a more liberal stance, and that would probably be
> the end of the discussion.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Koki
>
>
>
>


-- 
Karl vom Dorff
B.Sc (Hons) Biology, (German minor)

http://www.karlvd.com
http://www.clubloreley.org
http://www.haikuware.com

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