On 05/08/07, Michael Lotz <mmlr@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hello Everyone > > I just have a problem with the attitude here. We made a decision and > this should be accepted. Of course it may seem unpleasant for some and > cause frustration to others, but if the decision is simply undermined > by the community this causes frustration on both sides. And quite Here lies the problem with Open Source projects. Who's to say it should be accepted? Where do you draw the line between the community and the project admins, or even the people who participate on email lists giving feedback and opinions, or the people who organize conferences or provide artwork? Is their input worth any less than code put forth by Axel, yourself etc. ? Any vote by the admin team is supposed to reflect what the community want. Koki, Bryan V Mike Sum et. al ARE the community - did you count their votes? Would you prefer it if the code was forked? My _personal_ opinion is exactly the opposite of yours. I think there should be a Haiku developer VMware image, I would like to use it myself at work and think it would be a great way of keeping up with the current build rather than building the whole OS. The stability of the very early Develop Releases of BeOS was sometimes worse than Haiku, yet Be, Inc. still got their OS out. Ship-early-ship often. At a Linux conference, it can only help. I do see the value of protecting the Haiku "image" though, but I feel its being miss-used. I think people, including the project admins are under the impression that when Haiku is released its going to be like a major FireFox release, or like a OpenOffice.org release. Its not. Most people don't care about Haiku. Its going to take YEARS to get to the stage where you can talk to your average techie and mention Haiku before he knows what it is. In the meantime, we need all the developers, artists, and geek-users who don't mind a crash we can get. I think the questions that that needs asking RIGHT NOW isn't if things like this should be allowed or not allowed. It should be why is the community so polarized on their opinions. Get that sorted and you won't need an admin team. -- Thanks, Andrew McCall andrew.mccall@xxxxxxxxx