On 8/4/07, Stephan Assmus <superstippi@xxxxxx> wrote: > > You can still hand out CDs, just not with the Haiku trademarks. And this is where all this becomes quite silly and rather moot, in my opinion. So people get CDs that say "FalterCon Demo" or whatever. When people ask "what exactly is FalterCon Demo", Urias et al will say "well it is just Haiku, but we had to take out the name and logo because it is pre-alpha." No NDAs were signed here, so they are free to speak about it. So the people getting it will still know it is Haiku. In addition I imagine the desktop will have a link to haiku-os.org or that URL will be printed on the CD, so even if the people don't ask, they will eventually figure out that "WalterCon demo" is really just Haiku. Then if they run it and it crashes and they get annoyed, they will still blame Haiku. So all this discussion and admin voting is really just pointless. Hiding the trademarks does no good. At the end of the day, Haiku is MIT licensed and frankly, people can do whatever the hell they want with it. So I think these efforts to "hide" Haiku are kind of dumb. Especially when these efforts result in frustrating and slowing down people are who trying to evangelize and help the project. I would like to commend Urias and Jorge for being so polite and reasoned about the whole thing, as I could see quite easily how they could get peeved by it. Now it is still up to them whether they make these CDs or not. As I said in another email, I don't think the CDs could be quite as damaging as a lot of other people think. But if the admin team really doesn't want these CDs handed out, they better ask politely as the "you can't use our trademarks" thing has no teeth, as I hope I've expressed. Regards, Ryan