[openbeos] Re: Developer Edition Vmware Image

On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Jorge G. Mare <koki@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Sun, 2008-04-06 at 17:27 -0400, Karl vom Dorff wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Stephan Assmus <superstippi@xxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> >         Karl vom Dorff wrote:
> >         > On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Jorge G. Mare
> >         <koki@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >         >
> >         > > Howdy,
> >         > >
> >         > > On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 04:01 +1000, Zenja Solaja wrote:
> >         > > > Hi Karl.  Great work with all the haiku images on
> >         HaikuWare.
> >         > > >
> >         > > > May I suggest a few additions to the Developer Edition
> >         super pack:
> >         > > >
> >         > > > 1) Since you are including BeIDE (great), can you also
> >         create a
> >         > > > directory called /boot/develop/BeIDE/tools, which is in
> >         fact a
> >         > > > symlink
> >         to /boot/develop/tools/gcc-2.95.3-haiku-080323/bin.  This
> >         > > > allows BeIDE to build projects.
> >         > >
> >         > > This is a question to Karl: do you have permission to
> >         redistribute
> >         > > BeIDE? If you don't, I highly object that you include this
> >         or any other
> >         > > BeOS IP in the Haiku packages that you are distributing.
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > Right, I'll remove that.  Anything else in there? What about
> >         > PackageBuilder, Serial Connect?
> >
> >
> >         Karl, you could answer this yourself. If you don't have
> >         permission from
> >         Be/Palm/ACCESS to distribute this, then it is just not legal.
> >         The BeOS
> >         Personal Edition comes with a clear license that says you can
> >         only
> >         distribute as is, not changed. Taking parts of it and
> >         distributing them
> >         would count as "changed" in my book.
> >
> >
> >         All that being said, ACCESS seems to be pretty liberal and
> >         understanding.
> >         They gave the BeOS Max guy the green light to do what he does.
> >         So maybe all
> >         you have to do is simply ask them. Explain what you are doing
> >         and I am sure
> >         you have quite a good chance of getting permission.
> >
> >         However, just going ahead and doing it because *you* think it
> >         is ok, is not
> >         what you should do, IHMO. Someone (ie at ACCESS) not very
> >         involved with
> >         Haiku could completely misunderstand this (your package) as
> >         comming from
> >         the project itself.
> >
> > Thanks for these comments. Perhaps I'll contact Access and see what
> > they say. It's probably pretty difficult to program without BeIDE.
> >
> > Anyways, I've removed the packages in question from both of these
> > images as well as applied the other suggestions.
>
> Proprietary and closed-source apps are a dead end. In the long run it
> would be better if you looked into the open source and/or actively
> developed alternatives.


True.


> Not only may you find replacements whose source
> could potentially be included in Haiku (license permitting and if
> needed/desired), but you would also give much deserved encouragement to
> those devs doing application development for an emerging platform like
> Haiku. A few examples:
>
> * Niue IDE for BeOS/Haiku (http://www.bebits.com/app/4540)
>        Developed by Tako Lansbergen (aka "0033")
>        Screenshots: 
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~tako0033/Niue/niue2.png<http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Etako0033/Niue/niue2.png>
>        This is actively developed and open source.


I've included this one already.

>
>
> * Various from Jerome Fillon (http://www.softimedia.com)
>        SerialTransfert (http://www.bebits.com/app/318)
>        BeBuilderEditor (http://www.bebits.com/app/496)
>        More from this author: http://www.bebits.com/devprofile/160


I'll look into these. Thanks!

> <http://www.bebits.com/devprofile/160>
>
> I believe SHINTA has also developed a (maybe BeIDE compatible?) IDE for
> ZETA, which I understand he plans to migrate to Haiku at some point. Not
> sure where that stands now, but it may be good to contact him and ask
> (he may be able to crank out a BeOS binary that works in Haiku).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Koki
>
>
>
>


-- 
Karl vom Dorff
B.Sc (Hons) Biology, (German minor)

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