[openbeos] Re: Cosmoe is back

I have to admit - I kind of wondered, for a moment, why Cosmoe if you have a fully functional Haiku (which we don't, yet, but we will). Then it hit me (and I wondered why I missed it). 

Servers.
BeOS was never really meant to be a server OS. Nor, really, is our kernel meant for the types of things that servers do. Could it be? Sure. But we have a lot more desktop focus than, say, Linux.
Given that I work on Linux all day long and worked on Solaris for 5 years prior, I think that one would be hard pressed to say that I don't like Unix. But, in fairness, it is WAY too hard to use. Way too hard. Even with all of the stuff out there that supposedly makes it easier. In fact, to some degree, I think that ease of use HAS to be all or nothing. Otherwise it is sort of a tease. Example - I use a Fedora Core 4 box at work. Before you ask, I will upgrade to 7 when my current project is done. :-D Sometimes I try to "yum" update something and it fails. Why isn't relevant. I have to find the RPM and force install it. That is not a desktop ready OS. If I didn't know RPM or the commandline, I would be lost.
Wouldn't it be nice to have servers with BeOS/Haiku usability? Precompiled binary everything, like BeBits? Never have to wonder which library or other precondition you need to install a package? A UI that is fast, responsive and small? Maybe even a server that can use the same binaries that your desktop uses? Where you could build and test applications on your desktop, prove them out and then drop the binary on the stable production server and KNOW that it will work? A lot of our current APIs won't be really useful on a server; most servers don't need the Game Kit, the Media kit, etc. But a server with a decent UI is nice. Esp if Bill puts some work/effort into apps to admin other apps (apache, for example). Furthermore, there are a lot of APIs that *I* would like to see implemented for the desktop Haiku that would be of value to a server. Just a random example - a Database kit. Or an XML kit.
Please, everyone, let's be nice. I think that we should be nice for the sake of the community, but, if nothing else, Bill has been a big help in making our code build for GCC 3 and he deserves a ton of respect for his coding and development skills. 

Michael

Ari Haviv wrote:

It's not even the point if cosmoe is 'useless' or not. We should
expect and encourage these experiments because ultimately the platform
is enriched when anyone can turn to haiku as a source for new ideas.
They'll keep coming back for more.
I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried the same thing with a bsd
kernel or maybe take the haiku kernel and stick X11 and kde or
something totally different and wacky.

Nevertheless, an OS is more than just code and if you don't have the
Haikummunity behind it, you don't have what Haiku is trying to become,
which is a standard stable desktop platform that users and developers
can rely on.

On 2/7/07, Pier Luigi Fiorini <pierluigi.fiorini@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

2007/2/7, Niklas Nisbeth <noisetonepause@xxxxxxxxx>:
> How Tux specific is this? Is it something that could be .tgz'd and used on *BSD? 
>
> Interesting project over all, I must say... although it will of course
> ultimately be useless, once Haiku reaches R1 and Linux dies the
> horrible, painful death it deserves :)
If you don't like Linux don't use it and shut up, please.
Haiku will face driver lack problems for ever, but Cosmoe has got the
BeOS API, faster GUI than any traditional X11 desktop and a kernel
that is improved every day with good hardware support.

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