[haiku-web] Re: Website

On 2006-03-18 at 22:45:39 [+0100], Mikael Jansson <mikael@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> So we really want something like a Wiki at this point, but perhaps with
> a bit more structure? I've used CPS once and although a bit heavy-
> weight, having a document authoring system with versioning support is
> good to have. No point in rolling your own stuff when there are nice
> solutions available. The question is how much one could use from, say,
> Trac should we go for that - it's got a Wiki, but it's certainly not a
> full-blown CMS.  Charlie?

I think the point is that Waldemar doesn't want to use Trac's wiki at all 
for content. It can, to all intents and purposes be disabled. With single 
sign on content creating users won't necessarily know what system they are 
dealing with.

Go for Best of Breed assuming you can do the plumbing.


> I believe WYSIWYG to be overrated. Have a look at reStructuredText. A
> quick introduction is at 
> http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickstart.html
> with the actual source at 
> http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickstart.txt
> 
> Incidently, Trac supports reST syntax directly in the Wiki...

While StructuredText is pretty much all you need for this kind of content 
production having a WYSIWYG editor which generates it will definitely be 
met with approval by many users.
 
> Because you'll be subscribed to about a hundred bugs at the very least.
> Unsubscribing to them all when you don't find them interesting anymore
> is an extremely tedious task. Therefore I agree on RSS being the
> preferred way to monitor changes, be them on web sites or in a ticket
> system.

Good point and better put than mine. But a similar theme: this is totally 
unstructured and not efficient in my opinion.
  

> Just so I get it right, is that Michael me or the US variety? (Michael
> being the common spelling in both English and German...) Easier to
> refer to me as "tic" or "Jansson", as that's what I'm used to hear,
> rarely hear my first name. :)

"Phipps, Sr." was meant as a fan of Rails.
 
> So, complicated as in a bad data model, or complicated as in cluttered
> UI? Because the later could be modified..

Presumably they were too ambitious. A lot is expected of a CMS nowadays but 
not necessarily usability.


> > I'm mailing to the admin list, too. So, is Trac okay for you all?
> > We'll
> > adjust it a little bit, though (remove a few fields, simplify here
> > and
> > there, add component tree support, ...).
> >
> I believe Trac is a viable alternative to Bugzilla, however we must see
> how much of it we can re-use, or it will more-or-less be a fancier
> Bugzilla w/ ViewCVS integrated.

With the current ratio of users to developers an issue tracker isn't that 
high a priority anyway but I do expect a few ahhs if svn integration is 
possible. And anything is better than Bugzilla - bit masks have no place in 
relational models!  
  
> That poses a problem with Trac and its Timeline and Browser features.
> Don't know how bad the penalty would be if the requests would be done
> over HTTP, or if we could place a trigger on the BerlioOS tree to
> trigger a svn up in the Haiku tree at the Trac server install so it
> would act on a local copy.

Punish non-developers by not giving them access to these features. (In case 
you haven't noticed the recent non-discussions on the main openbeos list 
annoyed me somewhat).

Bedtime, cycling tomorrow!

Charlie

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