[haiku-web] Re: Status update for the Picassa Gallery replacement?

Remi,

I appreciate your contribution to the cause, I really do. Also, nobody
is blaming you for the script not being integrated yet. But... :)

Your sermon about your professionalism, how many people you manage at a
"webagency", how you organise resources, your responsibilities at your
job, blah blah blah is totally irrelevant to this discussion and this
list. The concept of teamwork that Curtis refers to is the one
relevant here, not in a business setting. You are mistaken if you want
to bring a hierarchical organization mindset here, as it will not work.
We are a very loosely organized group of volunteers where people pickup
stuff to do based on their skills, time, motivations and mood of the
day, and we use this list as a means of communication amongst everyone.

So, while I was the one who started this thread, when you responded by
making your PHP code available on the list, you helped Haiku, not me
personally (I don't own or run Haiku). I just happened to pick that up
and post it on a Drupal page so that someone else could work on it; the
"I sent it to Jorge so..." does not apply here.

Finally, with regards to the meeting, the fact is that you called it,
you changed the schedule and then you did not show up. I can sympathize
with the fact that you have more important obligations (we all do!), but
a short "sorry, emergency at work so need to postpone meeting" message
would have taken you no more than 10 seconds to send, and it would have
been the very least that you could do, at least out of courtesy. After
all, our time is as precious as yours.

Cheers,

Koki

On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 22:18 +0100, Remi Grumeau wrote:
> ok folks...
> 
> 
> First, sorry not to intend tonight, i'm still at the agency, go a big
> issue on project to solve...
> For my capability to work in and as a team, you must know that it's
> actuaaly my daily job to do so, as a project manager in a webagency...
> i do not do anymore code (or so) but organise ressources to do it.
> 
> 
> Let's put things back in the context: as the main contributor and
> creator of my beos website, i first join this mailing list to get
> aware of what is happening in the Haiku world. I saw that Jorge and
> Niels was looking to replace the gallery of the website using the
> picasa account. And since i have already done some job on such a thing
> for a Wii media center portal (access your picasa photo on your wii
> portal) using the RSS feed picasa provide.
> 
> 
> So i did some work on it, and manage to get something up n running. I
> send the whole system to Jorge who manage to get it running under the
> Drupal installation on Haiku-os.org. Then a couple of days after that,
> Jorge send an email here telling us that i wouldn't have so much time
> to do the little modifications needed to finish it. So a week after,
> telling myself that it was a bit silly not to do it, i decide to
> propose to help to do it. So in the idea, i was the only one having
> some time available to lokk into it.
> 
> 
> Then real life get back and i didn't manage to find some time to do
> it. So Niels ask for a date to meet and solve this thing. To me, it
> was a message for me. Since Jorge told us he have no time, and Niels
> asked for my help, i say ok for (in my mind i understand it like that)
> a private chat while working on it together and quickly finish the
> job.
> 
> 
> If someone understood that i want to do it on my own, i'm sorry.
> That's not the point and that's not the way i see it. That said: eh
> people: sources are on the test website and everybody can access to it
> and do it. Curtis, Serpentor, if you want to do it, feel free to
> do !!! I would be glad to see other people working on it and solve
> some issue i have.
> 
> 
> The only moment i told Jorge (cause it's what we are talking about
> here right ?) not to be there is cause he told he has no time to work
> on this thing anymore and that i know that testers should come in a
> project when its done and tested by the people working on it, and not
> during devs are on it. Of course we (Niels and me) would send an email
> here when we tought it was ok for us.
> 
> 
> Now, if you think i'm not the *team member* for this job, man, sources
> are on the server, feel free to work on it ! But don't blame me to see
> a solution running that just need one people to give a hour on it,
> seeing nobody doing it, so telling "ok guys, i'm gonna do it !"
> 
> 
> Working as a team doesn't mean to me sending dozen of email on a
> mailing list to dozen of people talking about something, but at last
> nothing is done. In this case, i choose to do it myself or with one or
> two others and so the job is don finally. Perhaps it's a professionnal
> trick i have wanting things to get out even if it's not as a team when
> the team actually do nothing ... but hey, things get released ;)
> 
> 
> Curtis, a team doesn't always mean the whole team working on
> everything, but it can also means a couple of people on a couple of
> little projects that create a big one... that's what you learn when
> you have to manage huge websites projects with more than 35 people
> working on it.
> 
> 
> Rémi
> 
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Curtis Wanner <katisu@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>         Niels wrote:
>         > Wow, that's vicious!
>         
>         I don't see how that is vicious.  It is clear now that Remi
>         wanted "to do it
>         on his own".  Why then post to a public list meant for team
>         members?  As for
>         my statement about the *team* concept, he makes it quite clear
>         by saying
>         
>         >Just the way i work usually: 1 or 2 people focused on the job
>         
>         
>         that he doesn't subscribe to a team effort on a job.  Sorry if
>         that is taken
>         as "vicious".  Given the evidence I consider it a statement of
>         fact.
>         
>         
>         Curtis
>         
>         
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