Everyone, please. Remember that we ARE on the same side. :-) Patrik - One of the hallmarks of the Haiku developers has ALWAYS been quality first. They put me off for YEARS when I thought that we should go to alpha (for, as you say, marketing reasons). They argued (and quite correctly, I think now) that you never get a second chance at a first impression. Beta to them means what the rest of the world calls "1.0". No code before its time. I understand that the project could get more publicity faster by shipping something that is called "Beta 1". But if it is not stable, that publicity *WILL* be negative, at least to some degree. Imagine the flurry of posts on Slashdot "Wake me when it works...". :-D These memory corruption bugs absolutely HAVE to go away. If they don't, the system will not be usable for real work. Not only that, but people won't be able to write apps. You can't really expect people to write apps on BeOS R5 anymore... That means that there is a beta with NO APPS AND NO WAY TO WRITE THEM. No one wants that. Plus, the other Haiku developers NEED to work on Haiku. How else can they do things like add Wireless Credential Storage? You can't write it on another OS and port it. That just doesn't make a lot of sense. So, given that Michael is working on ABSOLUTELY the right things and working very hard (which we ALL agree on!), the real question is, how can we express that to the community in such a way as to make it clear to them that it IS the right thing, that it NEEDS to be done now AND that they should donate what ever they can so that this work can continue. Oh, and do it without taking much (if any!) of Michael's time so that he can do what he does best - hunt bugs and write code. Michael