2009/5/8 Ingo Weinhold <ingo_weinhold@xxxxxx>: > > On 2009-05-08 at 11:09:13 [+0200], Axel Dörfler <axeld@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: >> "Stephan Assmus" <superstippi@xxxxxx> wrote: >> > > If you don't know vim, why do you start it in the first place? Just >> > > because you heard it's an editor?? >> > > Why would you want to use commands you don't know to use? The shell >> > > commands can be pretty destructive, and so you better always know >> > > what >> > > you're doing. >> > It has been said before that you end up in vi not on purpose. I don't >> > know why >> > we even discuss this still. >> >> Because one could go on forever with this. I'm not arguing that vim is >> a stupid thing, I just don't see the mentality switch that Fredrik >> wants to see; it's just the question of where to draw the line. >> FWIW, I actually wasn't aware that there are apps that let you end up >> in vim without you knowing it - adding "nano" additionally would not >> solve this, though, so removing vim would be the better option for >> those apps (and eventually making sure EDITOR is set by default). > > I suppose that's what people ask for. And although I primarily use vim as a > CLI editor I tend to agree. > > CU, Ingo > > FWIW: VI editor certainly does not stand for Very Intuitive editor but most probably is Virtually Impossible editor. Finding out how to quit without pulling the powercable I was only able to do this using internet. Never in my life could I have come up with :q! Even edlin on the Unisys OS2200 was easier to use. On a previous job on a Unix platform I removed all references to vi and vim from my .profile and just used ftp to get and put the source back so I could use UltraEdit instead. Several collegues, of whom plenty with a couple of years vi experience, happily followed this approach. Let me finish by stating Haiku isn't Unix, if you want to port vi fine with me, but as I see it, vi is one of the main reasons people stick to Windows. regards, Arnold