Haiku is trying to do two things at once: Build an operating system from ten years ago and build an operating system from today. The way I see it, there's no real reason to make it <i>look</i> as if it's ten years old, just make it <i>compatible</i> with ten year old binaries (a long with the same interface, APIs, etc). So the argument that Haiku should name its Menu because a ten year old operating system does for the sake of similarity is not really making complete sense to me. And not naming a menu because vista does means that Vista has already done; of all the things that I would have chosen to compare Vista and Haiku, the menu would be one of the last items I would choose. And if by making the interface cleaner Haiku reminds you of vista, then vista must look pretty damn good; Haiku has managed to take the original UI and make it look Kick Ass. So... I guess I just like the interface looking clean. This means less text overall; I think that a menu labeled 'Menu' is rather redundant and unnecessary after the first run or so. Anyway, I rather associate the leaf with Haiku now, though if you really want to associate it, you're going to have to make some changes to the default logo. Instead of three feathers, you need one feather, prominently figured. This will move the feather's status from being an attribute off the logo to being the center of the logo; the name "Haiku" will name the feather and the operating system, thereby linking the two. Oh dear, I did it again. -- Duane