[haiku-development] Re: Key roles vs. key label in menus
- From: "Adrien Destugues" <pulkomandy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: haiku-development@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:53:16 +0200
Le Sun, 08 Apr 2012 09:15:26 +0200, Rimas Kudelis <rq@xxxxxx> a écrit:
Another problem with localizing this is that there is no mapping
between keyboard layout and locale.
Of course not. But there _is_ a mapping between most likely _physical
keyboard_ and locale.
I use a spanish keyboard with a french system, I know a lot of our
german devs use an us-qwerty layout, and so on. If you have a localized
app, you'll get 'STRG', and a non-localized one will show 'CTRL'.
The key names should not be part of the layout. They should be part of
the locale in question. So, if you are using French locale, the bitmaps
would always reflect the French keyboard, regardless of what actual
layout you are using.
How do you know this is actually the same key ? Or do we make this
always use the 'main' language ? In that case, it would need special
support from the locale kit, because everything was made so that each
application gets only one language.
Keycaps should be part of the system L10n. Not layout or application.
There is no such thing in Haiku. The system provides everything to an
application in the language this application is using. This way, each
application comes with only one language. The way Windows does it is very
bad, for exemple I often see an english message box with buttons labelled
in French "Oui", "Non", "Annuler". This is not good. If the application is
not localized, the system should give it english text, and in Haiku that's
what it does.
On the other hand, the key label actually IS linked to the keyboard
layout, not to the current language the application might happen to be
using. I thought we all agreed on using key roles; because we came to the
conclusion that it wasn't possible to match all possible combinations of
keyboards and users settings anyway. I now hear that sun keyboard needs a
diamond for command, and logitech keyboard a sun-like symbol for control,
while mac keyboards use something else for option. So, I still think that
Haiku should show CMD/OPT/CTRL/SHIFT, and I'd not even bother localizing
them, because this is NOT a locale issue, it's an issue of physical
labelling of keyboards being inconsistent between manufacturers, that is
also related to country-dependant keyboard layouts.
Anyway, I don't want to invest more time in this discussion. We have just
run a complete loop from key labels, to symbols, to roles, and back. It's
not worth doing it again. I have better things to spend my time on.
--
Adrien.
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