On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Caitlin Shaw <rogueeve@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > For the record I have nothing against vim. I was only > commenting that this is a really great GUI OS, and we can come up with a > really great IDE for it. Given my perspective of vim as an "emergency" > editor, I was just surprised that so many people were concerned about > it. I suppose you don't know about gvim? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:GVim-screenshot.png It is the GUI version of Vim and is my preferred editor on every operating system I use (since it runs on all of them.) I've been using it for about 12 years and still have the same .vimrc I built all those years ago (with minor tweaks now and then, and I can't stand to use Vim without it.) Anyhow, as others have said Vim certainly doesn't have to be the lowest common denominator editor, though the version that comes with Haiku at the moment is pretty much that. Any hard core Vim users like myself, Alexander and Ankur will certainly want to download the fully featured and up-to-date Vim 7.2 optional package. So as has been discussed before we should probably just remove the old vim, replace it with nano, and we Vimophiles will just download the optional package as usual. As far creating a really great IDE for Haiku, I'm all for it, but before you reinvent the wheel please take a look at Paladin and Niue. Paladin is probably the most up-to-date as I believe the development of Niue has stalled for some time. Here is info on the 1.0 release of Paladin on the blog of it's author, DarkWyrm: http://darkwyrm-haiku.blogspot.com/2009/06/its-official-paladin-10.html Here is the Niue project page: http://dev.osdrawer.net/projects/show/niue On the above page DarkWyrm is listed as a developer but after reading more of his blog it seems he decided to write Paladin because he felt the Niue code was messy (how many new projects were started because of that problem?!?) More info for the curious: http://darkwyrm-haiku.blogspot.com/2008/11/paladin-code-by-day-and-by-knight.html Finally this post has some Niue screenshots (it certainly looks nice): http://www.beosnews.com/2008/07/30/niue-4-for-haikubeos-is-out/ -- Regards, Ryan