On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:44:53 +0200, Jorge Mare <kokitomare@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Jonas Sundstrom <jonas@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:"Jorge Mare" <kokitomare@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: ...2) Length of the Developers and Contributors lists These lists are ridiculously longMost people don´t stay to read the credits after the movie. Does that mean they should be dropped or cut? Of course not. These things matter to all the people involved. So what if its pride or bias.I did not say that they should cut/removed: I suggested that they be moved elsewhere. I am sure you can appreciate the difference.Of course we want to keep the list! In some form. It´s part of the culture, open-source and other forms before it, like the Amiga/Atari demoscenes.I have used/tried other open source OSes and products, and I have never seen such a ridiculously long list anywhere. Besides, as I already said, it's not like we are saying that people would not get credit; it would just be somewhere else.Haiku as a product is primarily code and data. (binaries, text, images, sounds, documentation) Its easy to track contributions of these forms of code and data, regardless of whether it has been contributed directly or indirectly, and its usually developers (of some kind) who make these kind of contributions and thus end up in the credits. Such lists usually start from a copyright point-of-view. This is probably why also -our- list is primarily enumerating contributors of copyrightable material. I agree that it would be good to find a way to also honor contributors of support, marketing, community activities, accounting, legal advice, etc. (I apologize for not coming up with a long list. I´m sure there are all kinds of contributions one could list. Recurring donations maybe! ;) About putting list online. If so, why not try to make a database of all kinds of contributions, which can be sliced and diced and presented in all kinds of ways. Most productive developer (in lines of code), best liked person (voting), etc. Data could be extracted from SVN to show which persons contributed the most code to the current release, the previous release, etc. I personally think the credit list was already reasonably "accurate, concise, and manageable" and I believe that opening up the list to other forms of contribution would makes it a lot less of all three.I cannot disagree more: * The Team Leads list is very far from being accurate. * The list of developers has 100+ names. I don't think that's anybody's idea of concise. * These lists being in the OS itself makes them less manageable. An online page that would be easier to keep the list up to date in a more timely manner and over time. A web page would also make it easier to format or even categorize the lists so that we can get closer to giving everyone the credit they deserve regardless of whether it is a developer or not (like, as you proposed, adding links to donor pages). I am not trying to have a flame war, nor am I trying to offend or take credit away from anyone. I just think the status quo is flawed, and I am trying make people aware of that. Anyway, I think I have said what I wanted to say (and repeated myself a few times; forgive me for that). I rest my case now; hopefully, something will be done.
Hi, A other perspective: Why need add the name from the people? we make a free opensource products = HAIKU OS ! eg in KDE i cant found in the about a people name, but i can found info about the product. So i hope this helps and stop the endles loop of discussions. I dont like hype a people, i respect all he help to make a products. -- Ralf Schülke aka stargater
