I agree that we need to plan things, i do not think that in a group of 40 people , planning has to go before work can be done and experimented with. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------- i agree that a plan needs to be made, boris compiled some sort of a plan sketch, im working to fill it up and then i'll post it for everyone to comment and we'll make an agreed plan. meanwhile - i will empty the ftp sunday - after i compile the pack (any uploads - please hurry.) after i do so i want to declare a time period in which the cdt will shift to discuss the logo concept (mascot existance etc.) for this period of time until an agreed date in which we will a voting (any other ideas? - i have some worries about that) will take place. Any comments? Guy.