ok i just took a look at everything that was in ftp.mimic.ca/pub/OpenBeos here are some thoughts: 1) are we just testing the waters seeing what we can think of or are we working with constraints? i understatd that we are trying to emulate the current feel while being diffrent too. so are we sticking with a blue and red logo (i see that tan and yellow are common alternatives) or are we free to do what ever? 2) SaDeron your walpapers 1 & 3 are sweet. i realy like the nice symplistic and tech feel to them, there not overwhelimg, i also love the people icon (is it ok if we use existing imagery?) 3) m7m i am realy fond of your logo for the project (m7m-openbeos.png) again clean well defined lines. 4) double i realy like your icons (ob.jpg) there cute and soft, vary easy and fun to get along with. as well as descriptive to the item. but i dont know about "tabby" it's a good idea but it reminds me too much of 'clippy' from MS office and that was just annoying, i know it's not a fair comparison but it just has that feel and along with that comes the emotonal baggage. over all i'm realy liking the stuff that ive seen and i'm going to have to work my @$$ off to catch up. hopefully by next weekend i'll have somehting in the dir for public crit. rock out all. ben~ ps debro's icons and walpapers zip is corupt (or i didnt get it correctly twice?) can some one check to see if the file is fine (i hope that i'm just screwing up somewhere)