[openbeos-cdt] Re: About the names
- From: Jace <Jace@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: openbeos-cdt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:30:36 -0400
All very good points. I think we should indeed poll the community. Can we=
set up a forum somewhere on a prominant BeOS site that we can ask the comm=
unity to tell us what BeOS is to them? Ask them to submit names and words =
that remind them of what BeOS is? Let's get some brainstorming from the co=
mmunity.
Oh, and personally, I have to ask that we veto "Olga" since that name is of=
ten associated (in the USA) with "ugly" things/people. Sorry :) I am also=
not too fond of "Jaffa" as the name, personally.
-Jace
On 2002-04-11 at 04:55:21 [-0400], Kristof Polleunis aka BeAdingo wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> I had a look at the log but I must say there wasn't a
> name that caught my attention really.
>
> The more I think of it the more I believe we should
> avoid "OS" in the name (although I had many *OS in my
> names-list myself). We should go for a short name
> that describes what obos is or will be, what it stands
> for. Simple names are the best, look at SUN, APPLE,
> WINDOWS (I know I should write Microsoft here), all
> plain simple english names. Doesn't have to be
> english though but simple yes.
>
> I kinda liked the "Jaffa" name, sounds nice and I can
> imagine an orange as symbol, but it sounds a bit like
> java. And if you want to be in line with SUN or
> APPLE, the computer should be an ORANGE which runs on
> JAFFE, like "SOL"-ARIS on SUN. Unfortunately ORANGE
> is a TM it's a mobile phone operator in Europe.
>
> I think we should go for something simple like fruit-
> or animal- or foreign short names, like "Tui" or
> something Japanese as suggested, but I think it should
> more or less say something of the OS or the community.
>
>
> So if people agree on avoiding the ending in "OS" we
> could already set some limitations making the
> choosing-process easier. For example I would also
> like to exclude agressive and too geeky names or long
> names, since this has a negative effect on the
> perception of the system by the public. Let us at
> least agree on the fact that the name (if it has a
> meaning) should have a positive one.
>
> I believe we should continue this way by excluding
> stuff. Maybe you can come up with some more
> exclusions thus making the selection-process so much
> easier. Maybe Stuart can combine these into one list.
>
>
> Along with this we could choose some words, properties
> which describe our new OS, for example friendly, fast,
> stable... etc. The limitations + the descriptions
> will make us think along the same lines looking for a
> name .
>
> And instead of limiting your creativity it actually
> forces you to be more creative within these limits.
>
> This is how professional branding companies work, I've
> been involved in this process (as I'm a webdesigner)
> for our company and the people who created our brand
> brainstormed just like we do but not at random, first
> they did a detailed study of what our company stood
> for, how people saw our company, how we wanted to
> evolve ...etc.
>
> If we keep on producing names at random we are
> operating in the very same way as we did before with
> our artwork. And I believe I don't have to explain
> you that this brought us no step further towards our
> goal.
>
> Something to think about.
>
>
> Kristof aka BeAdingo
>
> --- Eckard Riedenklau <eckard.riedenklau@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Stuart McCoy" <stubear@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <openbeos-cdt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:17 PM
> > Subject: [openbeos-cdt] Re: Where is everyone
> >
> >
> > > I forgot to save the log but the just of the
> > conversation began leaning
> > > towards these few ideas and names.
> >
> > Well, I did...
> >
> > > 1) Jaffa. It's a variety of orange. (get it?
> > Apple/Macintosh?) Anyway,
> > > it's an idea.
> > > 2) NucleOS
> > > 3) something related to the starfish or octopus
> > (think nautical or marine
> > > life)
> > > 4) something astronomy related.
> > > 5) the work I've done on the UI has gone under the
> > names Terra(the look)
> > and
> > > Magma(the underlying functionality). Some sort
> > of elemental name (earth,
> > > wind, fire, air) might work as well.
> >
> > Here is the log for those who are interested. I hope
> > I don't blow your
> > mailbox.
> > May be I'm outing myself as a bad English speaker by
> > doing this *g*...
> >
> > ---8<--- snip --->8---
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> Okay, Garfield82, here are some
> > brainstorm words: Enlightenment,
> > Transcendence, Eternity, Helix, NexOS, Eye of
> > Harmony, Event One,
> > <stubear> Two names suggested so far have been Jaffa
> > (a variety of Orange)
> > and NucleOS
> > <Jace-CDT> I personally like Japanese words... do
> > you think there's a
> > possiblity of that working? Example: Genki was a
> > popular codename for BeOS
> > unrealsed version R5 I think.
> > <Jace-CDT> Genki means "well" or "all is well" or
> > "healthy"
> > <stubear> Write them up with their definitions.
> > Sadly I don't speak
> > Japanese.
> > <Jace-CDT> I'm only up on a few vocab words and a
> > few Kana... so I don't
> > speak it yet either. Plan to, though.
> > <Garfield82> i've got problems with enlightenment
> > and Event One so far:
> >
> > <Garfield82> Wasn't Enlightenment a dsektop for
> > linux?
> >
> > <Garfield82> What do you mean with Event One?
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> Enlightenment... yeah, that is a Linux
> > thing... oh well. Event
> > One is a sort of scifi slang for the big bang.
> > <Jace-CDT> Usagi =3D bunny
> > <Jace-CDT> Hachi=3Dbee
> > <Jace-CDT> (the a sounds more british like ah
> > instead of american nasal a,
> > btw)
> > <stubear> yes, Enlightenment is a desktop manager
> > for Linux.UNIX
> > <Garfield82> *g*
> >
> > <Garfield82> Hachi sounds like the german word for
> > the thing you do before
> > someone else says "blesse you"
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> heh heh
> > <stubear> Reminds me of Bacci(sp?) ball.
> > <Garfield82> don't know what you mean.
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> Kinen=3Dmonumenal
> > <Jace-CDT> monumental
> > <stubear> I should have said sounds like
> > <Garfield82> i think it's a game ;)
> >
> > <stubear> Perhaps we should be asking, what is BeOS?
> > <Jace-CDT> BeOS is igaku, the science of restoring
> > health to the computer
> > industry
> > <Garfield82> an os? - just kidding.
> >
> > * stubear slaps Garfield82 around a bit with Tux,
> > the Linux Penguin
> > <Jace-CDT> (the i in Japanese is pronounced like a
> > double e in english)
> > <Garfield82> (the same in german)
> >
> > <Garfield82> (i =3D i)
> >
> > <stubear> oops, sorry about Tux there. I'll have to
> > find out where you can
> > set things like that in Besirc
> > <Jace-CDT> Fushigi=3Dmysterious
> > <Jace-CDT> FushigiOS the mysterious OS
> > <Garfield82> I don=C4t think that BeOS is misterious.
> >
> > <Garfield82> is it?
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> Yeah, I guess Windows is more
> > mysterious... in the horror film
> > style.
> > <Jace-CDT> "What's it doing??"
> > <Garfield82> *lol*
> >
> > <stubear> Actually I don't think Windows is
> > mysterious at all, but that's
> > neither here nor there :)
> > <Jace-CDT> "Persuasion"
> > <Jace-CDT> What BeOS is to me: "The potential to
> > make computers what they
> > should be: useful tools that do what you want and
> > expect. Also the
> > rebuilding of a formerly anti-consumer industry."
> > <Jace-CDT> Right now, there is no computer that
> > works like it really ought
> > to. BeOS was always the closest thing to that
> > potential, in my mind.
> > <Jace-CDT> Simple, just plain works, all that.
> > <Garfield82> Why not collect those sentences and
> > build an acronym of them?
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> hmm.
> > <Jace-CDT> PTBWTSB... nah, that doesn't work.
> > <stubear> Simple is good. Any associations with
> > simple that aren't
> > derogatory (i.e. plain)?
> > <Jace-CDT> "vanilla"
> > <Garfield82> *g* like the "wine" guys did for
> > example
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> Singular (used by cell phone co)
> > <Garfield82> "handy"
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> BINAPOC: Beos Is Not A Piece Of Crap...
> > that's not helpful.
> > <Garfield82> ..but nice#
> >
> > <Garfield82> (in a way)
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> Tanjunsa=3Dsimplicity
> > <Jace-CDT> sobokusa
> > <Garfield82> why don't we just browse through a
> > dictionary?
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> Uta =3D act of singing
> > <Garfield82> thats the way for BeOS
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> That's a good thing to do.
> > <stubear> I'm doing that as we speak :)
> > <Jace-CDT> That's what I'm doing with Japanese
> > <Garfield82> shall i say "stop" by browsing?
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> Silhouette (shiruetto)
> > <Jace-CDT> Stop?
> > <Garfield82> while you browse through the dictionay
> > i say sotp and you stop
> > on that page. the word you have could be a new name
> >
> > <stubear> Sorry, multimedia dictionary (Encarta).
> > <Garfield82> ehh...
> >
> > <Garfield82> i ment the way like jean-louis did...
> >
> > <Garfield82> you know?
> >
> > <stubear> I did discover that Be is also a city in
> > Vietnam
> > <Jace-CDT> Millennium
> > <stubear> Taken - Windows ME (Millennium Edition)
> > <Garfield82> do you know how the name "BeOS" was
> > invented?
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> Ah...the bastards
> > <Jace-CDT> I don't even think of it that way... just
> > as ME
> > <Jace-CDT> as in EniMe
> > <Jace-CDT> EniMy
> > <stubear> Garfield, no and I could find nothing
> > about it in the Be
> > Newsletter archives either :(
> > <Garfield82> i just looked it up. interested?
> >
> > <stubear> sure
> > <Garfield82> ok. a little story (it's true):
> >
> > <Garfield82> Jean-Louis Gass=E9e was looking for a
> > name for his new OS. He
> > browsed through a dictionary and fell asleep...
> >
> > <Garfield82> he told the people that he slept in at
> > the letter "b" and
> > everybody understood "be"
> >
> > <Garfield82> so the name was "BeOS"
> >
> > <Garfield82> that's it (in a was).
> >
> > <Garfield82> basically it was found by accident.
> >
> > <Garfield82> (i ment "in a way" not "was")
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> and they realized it was a very widely
> > used word that would lend
> > itself to much friendly adoption
> > <stubear> hmmmm....Are you suggesting we all take a
> > nap? Sleep on it so to
> > speak? ;)
> > <Garfield82> the story is true. i read it in the
> > only german print magazine
> > "InsideBeOS"
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> my dictionary sucks. X Y and Z are all
> > on one page!
> > <Garfield82> i just "stopped" (that's what i meant)
> > at the "k"
> >
> > <Garfield82> would lead to "kos" or "chaos"
> >
> > <Garfield82> what do you think of "isos" (thinking
> > of isis)
> >
> > <stubear> I think it's WAY too obscure, and I've
> > even been to Egypt to the
> > Temple of Isis
> > <Jace-CDT> It might demand an acronym too
> > <Garfield82> well could also be "is" according to
> > "be"
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> "Is is a great OS" nah...
> > <Garfield82> just "IsOS"
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> I think that would be harder to explain
> > than Be has been...v;)
> > <stubear> Personally I would like to steer away from
> > the -OS suffix if I
> > could. I think it's clear that this is an OS. A
> > direction we might
> > consider is something similar to Apple or Sun.
> > Apple named their OS after a
> > variety of Apple (McIntosh, Apple misspelled it),
> > and Sun after another term
> > for the sun, Sol...
> > <Jace-CDT> :)
> > <Jace-CDT> I like Sol
> > <Jace-CDT> VirtuOS, Unity, UbiquitOS, Dawn, Tribe,
> > Trion, Trio
> > <Jace-CDT> I was working on those before you said to
> > avoid OS
> > <stubear> That was the thinking behind Jaffa. It's
> > a variety of an orange.
> > I was thinking along the likes of Terra, Magma or
> > some other elemental name.
> > <stubear> fire, water, earth, air.
> > <stubear> Aqua has been taken.
> > <Jace-CDT> Mikan is a Japanese tangerine
> > <Jace-CDT> Of course, no one would pronounce it
> > right...
> > <Garfield82> i just looked out of my window and saw
> > a box(tree)
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> except the Japanese
> > <Jace-CDT> Orchid
> > <Garfield82> java was inteded to be called Ork
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> hah
> > <stubear> I believe Java was codenamed Oak.
> > <Garfield82> oh. sorry i ment this. was just a
> > misstype...
> >
> > <stubear> Funny you should mention orchid. Vanilla
> > is a type of orchid and
> > I believe there was mention of it earlier.
> > Unfortunately my encyclopedia
> > search didn't turn up anything interesting
> > concerning either.
> > <Jace-CDT> Vanilla is an Orchid? Cool!
> > <Jace-CDT> Sun really has a great name/logo combo.
> > I have to say.
> > <stubear> It's a climbing orchid. I saw them all
> > over the Seychelle
> > Islands.
> > <stubear> I think the idea behind the name Sun was
> > their concept of the thin
> > client, "the network is the OS" strategy. Again,
> > this begs the question,
> > what is BeOS? Is it the server behind the thin
> > clients like Sun (I know it
> > isn't but this is the direcitonthis should take)?
> > <Jace-CDT> BeOS is like a team.
> > <Garfield82> what about "Culcita", "Oraster" or
> > "Fromia"? these are names of
> > starfishes
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> A team of components working in
> > harmonious tandem to do things
> > for you
> > <Garfield82> a starfish could be a symbolc
> > commections between the members
> > of a team
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> I've been using "NUMA" for my new
> > computer architechture I've
> > been writing. What do you think of that?
> > <Garfield82> what is behind this? is ist an acronym?
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> It's a bad acronym.
> > <Jace-CDT> New Useful Machine Atchitecture
> > <Garfield82> well, BeOS ist not quite new, i think
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> The idea was "this architechture will
> > replace all the old useless
> > junk that's been crawling along, rotting for
> > decades."
> > <stubear> I like the starfsh concept but I
> > discovered that the japanese have
> > something against the image of a starfish.
> > According to Adobe, the splash
> > screen of Photoshop v6.0 was annoying to the
> > Japanese because of the
> > starfish image and it has been replaced (it would
> > have been anyway) in v7.0.
> > I'll look into it, but I really like the concept.
> > <Garfield82> why don't japanese like the starfish?
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> That's interesting. I do know that the
> > Japanese are a number one
> > target for BeOS because their culture embrases new
> > technology
> > <stubear> I didn't see an explanaiton, just a
> > comment by one of the
> > programmers that the japanses market wasn't big on
> > the starfish image. I'll
> > shoot him an e-mail and see what the explanaiton
> > was.
> > <Garfield82> "(sea) anemone"
> >
> > <Garfield82> or "Actinia"
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> Amber
> > <stubear> Asteroidea - class starfish are in
> > <Garfield82> "Apogon"
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> Does anyone here know a lot of Astronomy
> > names?
> > <stubear> such as?
> > <Garfield82> not yet
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> Andante =3D in music, with slow graceful
> > movement. I guess slow is
> > bad...
> > <Garfield82> I'm actually browsing through my
> > dictionary of "fishtank
> > fishes" *g*
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> forget that.
> > <Garfield82> "Ornatus" means decorated.
> >
> > <Garfield82> "Pulcher" =3D beautiful
> >
> > <Garfield82> "Mysis"
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> Quantum Mechanics is a hip source for
> > names... any favorite words
> > there?
> > <Jace-CDT> Oasis
> > <Garfield82> hmm.. don't like quantum mechanics.
> >
> > <Garfield82> it's kinda theoretical. BeOS isn't
> >
> > <Jace-CDT> OBOS is... hah hah
> > <Jace-CDT> Ikaido is a Japanese flower
> > <Jace-CDT> Kai: found in several languages. In
> > Japanese: seashell,
> > shellfish, meeting, conference, party, gathering,
> > association
> > <Jace-CDT> also the name of a dead assassin in Lexx
> > <stubear> I've got a list of keywords and names
> > started here. I'm going to
> > give these some more thought later.
> >
> >
>
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