[guispeak] Re: here's the missing post...

  • From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 01:06:28 -0000

Hi Darrell;

There's nothing to say you have the opportunity to work harder or get more
money.  People in the deepest parts of africa are lucky if they can afford a
pentium 1 between an entire community.

Will
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 10:37 PM
Subject: [guispeak] Re: here's the missing post...


> Hi David,
>
> Well, in your scenario below, I guess I'd just have to do without the new
> technology.  That's pretty simple.  If I work harder or do things
> differently, I might be able to make some more money to get the newer
> technology.  I just don't consider this to be a matter of accessibility.
> Maybe it is one of those "digital divide" issues, but it has nothing to do
> with my mission of improving the lives of my blind brothers and sisters
> through the implementation of proper accessibility.
>
>
>
> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
> A+, CCNA, Network+!
> Check out high quality telecommunications services at http://ld.net/?nu7i
> All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:48 PM
> Subject: [guispeak] Re: here's the missing post...
>
>
> > So darrell,
> >
> > What would you do if you were the father of 6 and had a min9imum wage
job
> > and your wife was ill and you had this old pc that ran windows.95 or dos
> > or
> > maybe you decided you would put linux on it because all the stuff was
free
> > and along came this fantastic new technology that you couldn't get?  I
> > don't
> > think we have a back ward compatibility issue here, we have an
> > accessibility
> > issue here that is a result of lack of backward compatibility.
> >
> > Johnnie Apple Seed
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 4:34 PM
> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: here's the missing post...
> >
> >
> > Hi Laura,
> >
> > Yes.  It is all a matter of reasonability rather than accessibility when
> > we're talking about backward compatibility.  I feel it is important that
> > we
> > make a differentiation here.  Technology advances and there's just no
way
> > around that.  We're all in big trouble if we're going to associate a
> > desire
> > for backward compatibility with the need for accessibility for people
with
> > disabilities.
> >
> > Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
> > Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
> > A+, CCNA, Network+!
> > Check out high quality telecommunications services at
http://ld.net/?nu7i
> > All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom!
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Laura Eaves" <leaves1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "guispeak" <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:29 PM
> > Subject: [guispeak] here's the missing post...
> >
> >
> >> Hi Dave and all -- here is the post that never came back to me.  Not
that
> >> it
> >> is such an important and earth-shattering post, but I do want my posts
to
> >> get through...
> >>
> >> Anyway, here it is:
> >>
> >> Hi Dave --
> >> Well that's true to an extent, if there are several choices of
something
> >> available to the general public, but only the most expensive is
> >> accessible
> >> to blind.  (I ran into this even with something as unrelated as a
sewing
> >> machine -- the only accessible one was top-of-the-line, which my Mom
> >> bought,
> >> but I felt awful having her pay that much.)
> >>
> >> But on the other hand, you are not talking about driving a cadillac -- 
> >> you
> >> are talking about driving a horse-drawn carriage (win95) which almost
no
> >> one
> >> uses any more, and the currently available operating systems are all so
> >> much
> >> more accessible, or have so many more hooks to work with screen
reaaders,
> >> that upgrading is really not only wise, but will soon become essential.
> >>
> >> Now I was a bit annoyed at having to buy a gsm cell phone with all
kinds
> >> of
> >> features I didn't need, in order to have the menus speak.  But I
> >> encourage
> >> software companies to develop such accessible software, even if I have
to
> >> spend a little to be a guinea pig.
> >> Now that I've had a job -- at least long enough to have a little money
to
> >> spend experimenting on such things, I really have enjoyed getting
> >> involved
> >> in the troubleshooting, and if it eventually filters down to the less
> >> expensive phones and systems, all the better.
> >> (But it was really a very overpriced phone!<frown>)
> >>
> >> Take care, and try copying your data and upgrading your operating
system.
> >> Take care!
> >> --le
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "david poehlman" <
> >> david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >> To: <
> >> guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:38 PM
> >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
> >>
> >>> It is a fact that 70 percent of blind people are unemployed or at
least
> >>> under employed so Accessibility includes a multiplicity of things in
> >>> this
> >>> instance, such as:
> >>> Can I access it with my ancient computer?  Can I aford to get on the
> >>> internet to access it?  Can I access it without a sound card and get
> >>> benefit
> >>> out of it?  I'm afraid that w eneed to think hard when we say that
> >>> something
> >>> is accessible.  Saying that asking too much is offputting is doging
the
> >>> issue.  There are degrees of accessibility so if you announce
something,
> >>> it
> >>> is best o say that there is this thang a happenin' and if ya wanna
> >>> partake
> >>> of it, ya gotta be able to drive a cadelak.
> >>>
> >>> Johnnie Apple Seed
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <
> >> nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >>> To: <
> >> guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:26 PM
> >>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Will,
> >>>
> >>> But that's simply a matter of meeting the application's system
> >>> requirements.
> >>> Certainly, from a blindness or even a disabilities point of view, this
> >>> has
> >>> nothing to do with the application's accessibility.  All that concerns
> >>> me
> >>> is, well, can I use the application as a person with a disability, so
> >>> long
> >>> as I otherwise can meet the mainstream system requirements?  By
bringing
> >>> in
> >>> other things that aren't directly relevant to accessibility for users
> >>> with
> >>> disabilities, we run the risk of turning mainstream developers off our
> >>> pleas
> >>> for greater accessibility for our needs.  Let's only ask for what's
> >>> absolutely required.
> >>>
> >>> Besides, Windows 95 is very old now...  Time for folks to upgrade.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
> >>> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
> >>> A+, CCNA, Network+!
> >>> Check out high quality telecommunications services at
> >> http://ld.net/?nu7i
> >>>
> >> All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom!
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Will Pearson" <
> >> will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >>> To: <
> >> guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:16 PM
> >>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hi;
> >>>>
> >>>> It is an accessibility issue in the pure sense of accessibility.
> >>>> Accessibility is a measure of whether someone can do something, and
> >>>> this
> >>>> regards whether the application in question can be accessed by those
> >>>> running
> >>>> operating systems that the application did not target during it's
SDLC.
> >>>>
> >>>> Will
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <
> >> nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >>>> To: <
> >> guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 7:09 PM
> >>>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi David,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Probably not, but that is an OS compatibility issue, not one of
> >>>>> accessibility.  We need to keep these issues well separated.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
> >>>>> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
> >>>>> A+, CCNA, Network+!
> >>>>> Check out high quality telecommunications services at
> >>>>>
> >> http://ld.net/?nu7i
> >>>>>
> >> All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom!
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "david poehlman" <
> >> david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >>>>> To: <
> >> guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:25 AM
> >>>>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > can I use windows.95?
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Johnnie Apple Seed
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <
> >> nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >>>>> > To: <
> >> guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >>>>> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 1:19 PM
> >>>>> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Hi David,
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Looks reasonably accessible.  What's wrong with it?
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
> >>>>> > Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
> >>>>> > A+, CCNA, Network+!
> >>>>> > Check out high quality telecommunications services at
> >>>>
> >> http://ld.net/?nu7i
> >>>>> >
> >> All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom!
> >>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> > From: "david poehlman" <
> >> david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >>>>> > To: <
> >> guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >>>>> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 6:59 AM
> >>>>> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >> too bad it's not accessible to most users.
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> Johnnie Apple Seed
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> >> From: "Andy Baracco" <
> >> wq6r@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >>>>> >> To: <
> >> guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >>>>> >> Cc: <
> >> whoweare@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> ; <
> >> acb-l@xxxxxxx>
> >> ;
> >>>> <
> >> ccb-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >>>>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:14 AM
> >>>>> >> Subject: [guispeak] Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>> >>>
> >>>>> >>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
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> >>
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> >>>>> >>>
> >> Subject: Fw: online internet learning session
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