[guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.

  • From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:35:17 -0700

Hi David,

Correct, and, ultimately, that means the vendor must comply if it wishes to 
sell to the agency?

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:29 PM
Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.


> it is the agency which must comply.
>
> Johnnie Apple Seed
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 4:19 PM
> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>
>
> Hi David,
>
> If a person who is deaf-blind or who has a significant hearing impairment 
> in
> addition to blindness works for a government agency, is Microsoft's
> "solution" covered by 508?
>
> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:09 PM
> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>
>
>> We raised this with microsoft before they put the thing out and they went
>> ahead with it anyway.
>>
>> Johnnie Apple Seed
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:59 PM
>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>>
>>
>> This is one case in which I would consider there may be true
>> inaccessibility.  If someone could not use any other physical output
>> medium
>> other than Braille, excluding by reasons of choice, then they are being
>> denied access to the MS Reader interface, and subsequently the .lit
>> format.
>>
>> I'll pass this on to Microsoft.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 8:15 PM
>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>>
>>
>>> The sad thing is that there is no way to get braille of the lit files
>>> even
>>> with the plug in.
>>>
>>> Johnnie Apple Seed
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:11 PM
>>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>>>
>>>
>>> If I were the presiding prosecutor, you'd be procecuted as would any
>>> other
>>> person violating drm.
>>>
>>> Johnnie Apple Seed
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:45 PM
>>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi David,
>>>
>>> OK.  Possibly true.  When it comes to accessibility, I'm not afraid to
>> take
>>> liberties with that definition.  If I got in to trouble over it, I would
>> not
>>> hesitate to use my blindness as a media/public relations tool.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:42 PM
>>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>>>
>>>
>>> > You need to read the drm documentation carefully.  You cannot do
>> anything
>>> > you want with a copy of a book that you purchase that is in electronic
>>> > form
>>> > such as reverse engineer it.  The book in this instance is a piece of
>>> > software and in order to accomplish what you want, you'd have to
>>> > reverse
>>> > engineer it.
>>> >
>>> > Johnnie Apple Seed
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:07 PM
>>> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi Will,
>>> >
>>> > Hmmm, well, legally, if I purchase a Microsoft E-book file, I can do
>>> > whatever it is I need to do in order to gain access, for my own
>>> > personal
>>> > use.  What probably is not legal is for me to proceed to distribute
>>> > that
>>> > file to others.  I find it amazing that MS Reader does not permit
>>> > printing.
>>> > Sighted people love to take on-screen info and send it to our printers
>> at
>>> > work right away.  My employer spends lots of money on consumables for
>>> > printers!
>>> >
>>> > Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
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>>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> > From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:51 AM
>>> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Hi;
>>> >>
>>> >> AFAIK, it doesn't allow printing.  As an aside, I doubt the 
>>> >> legitimacy
>> of
>>> >> using OCR seeing as the TTS plug-in is provided to make Reader
>>> >> accessible.
>>> >> I'm not a legal expert, but would imagine that this would only be
>>> >> permissible in situations where the TTS plug-in offered no output,
>>> >> such
>>> >> as
>>> >> .lit files composed of scanned images.  I think this is slightly
>>> >> different
>>> >> in the UK, where there is no law governing accessibility of eBooks,
>>> >> and
>>> >> instead it's left up to the old laws governing photocopying of books,
>> in
>>> >> which OCR, or at least scanning, of a limited portion of a book is
>>> >> allowed.
>>> >>
>>> >> I am looking into the possibility of getting reader to work with at
>> least
>>> >> one of the popular screen readers with a friend from Microsoft.
>>> >> Hopefully
>>> >> something will come out of this.
>>> >>
>>> >> Will
>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 6:12 PM
>>> >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Hi Will and all,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Does MS Reader permit you to print pages from books?  If so, has
>> anyone
>>> >>> tried this with the virtual printer facilities of K1000 or OpenBook?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
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>>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >>> From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >>> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 9:03 AM
>>> >>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> > Hi;
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > I wouldn't like to say at the moment.  The legality of this is
>> unsure.
>>> >> In
>>> >>> > the U.S. legislation exists that states it's legal to convert
>>> >>> > ebooks
>>> >>> > to
>>> >>> > another format if they are inaccessible, but the big question is,
>>> >>> > by
>>> >>> > providing a TTS plug-in for Reader, is the format considered
>>> >>> > accessible?
>>> >>> > I
>>> >>> > know in the UK, you can use OCR to store only a part of a book on
>> your
>>> >>> > computer, and this prohibits distribution or alteration of the
>>> >>> > content.
>>> >>> > Outside of the UK and US I don't know anything about the legality
>>> >>> > of
>>> >> this
>>> >>> > sort of situation, and I wouldn't like to offer advice that may
>>> >>> > mean
>>> >>> > you
>>> >>> > break the law and are subsequently open to prosicution.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > I'm currently discussing the point with some folk from MS UK, who 
>>> >>> > I
>>> >>> > suspect,
>>> >>> > being the format vendor, are in a position to make a judgement on
>> the
>>> >>> > legality.  I'll post more when I hear something from MS.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Thanks,
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Will
>>> >>> > Microsoft MVP (Visual Studio/VC++)
>>> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >>> > From: "Nektarios Mallas" <nmallas@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> >>> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >>> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:47 PM
>>> >>> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit
>>> >>> > format.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >> Thanks for this.
>>> >>> >> Do you know if there is any other way to extract the text from 
>>> >>> >> the
>>> >> *.lit
>>> >>> >> file and read it in other standard programs?
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> Nektarios.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>> >> From: guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> >>> >> Behalf
>>> >>> >> Of Will Pearson
>>> >>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:55 PM
>>> >>> >> To: guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >>> >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit
>> format.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> Hi;
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> Whilst MS Reader isn't supported by any of the screen readers,
>> there
>>> >>> >> is
>>> >>> >> a plug in.  Microsoft have provided a text to speech plug in for
>>> >>> >> Reader
>>> >>> >> that will read aloud the document.  It's based on MS SAPI, and
>>> >>> >> uses
>>> >>> >> the
>>> >>> >> standard SAPI synth that ships with Windows.  You can find a
>> download
>>> >>> >> for this from the Reader downloads page.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> Will
>>> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >>> >> From: "Nektarios Mallas" <nmallas@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> >>> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >>> >> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 6:39 AM
>>> >>> >> Subject: [guispeak] Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> > Hello list.
>>> >>> >> > Is Microsoft ebook reader accessible by screen readers? Is 
>>> >>> >> > there
>>> >>> >> > any
>>> >>> >> > other way to access a *.lit file and extract the text from it 
>>> >>> >> > so
>>> >>> >> > you
>>> >>> >> > can read it with standard applications such as wordpad? Thanks.
>>> >>> >> > Nektarios.
>>> >>> >> >
>>> >>> >> >
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