[guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.

  • From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:02:45 -0700

Hi Will,

Indeed, and this will be a way to get greater overall accessibility.  There 
simply must be a way to protect publishers while being accessible.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 1:59 PM
Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.


> This is one case in which I would consider there may be true
> inaccessibility.  If someone could not use any other physical output 
> medium
> other than Braille, excluding by reasons of choice, then they are being
> denied access to the MS Reader interface, and subsequently the .lit 
> format.
>
> I'll pass this on to Microsoft.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 8:15 PM
> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>
>
>> The sad thing is that there is no way to get braille of the lit files 
>> even
>> with the plug in.
>>
>> Johnnie Apple Seed
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:11 PM
>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>>
>>
>> If I were the presiding prosecutor, you'd be procecuted as would any 
>> other
>> person violating drm.
>>
>> Johnnie Apple Seed
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:45 PM
>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>>
>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> OK.  Possibly true.  When it comes to accessibility, I'm not afraid to
> take
>> liberties with that definition.  If I got in to trouble over it, I would
> not
>> hesitate to use my blindness as a media/public relations tool.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
>> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
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>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:42 PM
>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>>
>>
>> > You need to read the drm documentation carefully.  You cannot do
> anything
>> > you want with a copy of a book that you purchase that is in electronic
>> > form
>> > such as reverse engineer it.  The book in this instance is a piece of
>> > software and in order to accomplish what you want, you'd have to 
>> > reverse
>> > engineer it.
>> >
>> > Johnnie Apple Seed
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:07 PM
>> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Will,
>> >
>> > Hmmm, well, legally, if I purchase a Microsoft E-book file, I can do
>> > whatever it is I need to do in order to gain access, for my own 
>> > personal
>> > use.  What probably is not legal is for me to proceed to distribute 
>> > that
>> > file to others.  I find it amazing that MS Reader does not permit
>> > printing.
>> > Sighted people love to take on-screen info and send it to our printers
> at
>> > work right away.  My employer spends lots of money on consumables for
>> > printers!
>> >
>> > Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
>> > Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
>> > A+, CCNA, Network+!
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>> > All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom!
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:51 AM
>> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi;
>> >>
>> >> AFAIK, it doesn't allow printing.  As an aside, I doubt the legitimacy
> of
>> >> using OCR seeing as the TTS plug-in is provided to make Reader
>> >> accessible.
>> >> I'm not a legal expert, but would imagine that this would only be
>> >> permissible in situations where the TTS plug-in offered no output, 
>> >> such
>> >> as
>> >> .lit files composed of scanned images.  I think this is slightly
>> >> different
>> >> in the UK, where there is no law governing accessibility of eBooks, 
>> >> and
>> >> instead it's left up to the old laws governing photocopying of books,
> in
>> >> which OCR, or at least scanning, of a limited portion of a book is
>> >> allowed.
>> >>
>> >> I am looking into the possibility of getting reader to work with at
> least
>> >> one of the popular screen readers with a friend from Microsoft.
>> >> Hopefully
>> >> something will come out of this.
>> >>
>> >> Will
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 6:12 PM
>> >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Hi Will and all,
>> >>>
>> >>> Does MS Reader permit you to print pages from books?  If so, has
> anyone
>> >>> tried this with the virtual printer facilities of K1000 or OpenBook?
>> >>>
>> >>> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
>> >>> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
>> >>> A+, CCNA, Network+!
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>> >>> All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi 
>> >>> Freedom!
>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >>> From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 9:03 AM
>> >>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> > Hi;
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I wouldn't like to say at the moment.  The legality of this is
> unsure.
>> >> In
>> >>> > the U.S. legislation exists that states it's legal to convert 
>> >>> > ebooks
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > another format if they are inaccessible, but the big question is, 
>> >>> > by
>> >>> > providing a TTS plug-in for Reader, is the format considered
>> >>> > accessible?
>> >>> > I
>> >>> > know in the UK, you can use OCR to store only a part of a book on
> your
>> >>> > computer, and this prohibits distribution or alteration of the
>> >>> > content.
>> >>> > Outside of the UK and US I don't know anything about the legality 
>> >>> > of
>> >> this
>> >>> > sort of situation, and I wouldn't like to offer advice that may 
>> >>> > mean
>> >>> > you
>> >>> > break the law and are subsequently open to prosicution.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I'm currently discussing the point with some folk from MS UK, who I
>> >>> > suspect,
>> >>> > being the format vendor, are in a position to make a judgement on
> the
>> >>> > legality.  I'll post more when I hear something from MS.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Thanks,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Will
>> >>> > Microsoft MVP (Visual Studio/VC++)
>> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >>> > From: "Nektarios Mallas" <nmallas@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:47 PM
>> >>> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit 
>> >>> > format.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> Thanks for this.
>> >>> >> Do you know if there is any other way to extract the text from the
>> >> *.lit
>> >>> >> file and read it in other standard programs?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Nektarios.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> >> From: guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> >>> >> Behalf
>> >>> >> Of Will Pearson
>> >>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:55 PM
>> >>> >> To: guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>> >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit
> format.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Hi;
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Whilst MS Reader isn't supported by any of the screen readers,
> there
>> >>> >> is
>> >>> >> a plug in.  Microsoft have provided a text to speech plug in for
>> >>> >> Reader
>> >>> >> that will read aloud the document.  It's based on MS SAPI, and 
>> >>> >> uses
>> >>> >> the
>> >>> >> standard SAPI synth that ships with Windows.  You can find a
> download
>> >>> >> for this from the Reader downloads page.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Will
>> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >>> >> From: "Nektarios Mallas" <nmallas@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> >> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 6:39 AM
>> >>> >> Subject: [guispeak] Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> > Hello list.
>> >>> >> > Is Microsoft ebook reader accessible by screen readers? Is there
>> >>> >> > any
>> >>> >> > other way to access a *.lit file and extract the text from it so
>> >>> >> > you
>> >>> >> > can read it with standard applications such as wordpad? Thanks.
>> >>> >> > Nektarios.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >
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