[guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.

  • From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 15:11:47 -0500

If I were the presiding prosecutor, you'd be procecuted as would any other 
person violating drm.

Johnnie Apple Seed

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:45 PM
Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.


Hi David,

OK.  Possibly true.  When it comes to accessibility, I'm not afraid to take
liberties with that definition.  If I got in to trouble over it, I would not
hesitate to use my blindness as a media/public relations tool.




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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:42 PM
Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.


> You need to read the drm documentation carefully.  You cannot do anything
> you want with a copy of a book that you purchase that is in electronic
> form
> such as reverse engineer it.  The book in this instance is a piece of
> software and in order to accomplish what you want, you'd have to reverse
> engineer it.
>
> Johnnie Apple Seed
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:07 PM
> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>
>
> Hi Will,
>
> Hmmm, well, legally, if I purchase a Microsoft E-book file, I can do
> whatever it is I need to do in order to gain access, for my own personal
> use.  What probably is not legal is for me to proceed to distribute that
> file to others.  I find it amazing that MS Reader does not permit
> printing.
> Sighted people love to take on-screen info and send it to our printers at
> work right away.  My employer spends lots of money on consumables for
> printers!
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:51 AM
> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>
>
>> Hi;
>>
>> AFAIK, it doesn't allow printing.  As an aside, I doubt the legitimacy of
>> using OCR seeing as the TTS plug-in is provided to make Reader
>> accessible.
>> I'm not a legal expert, but would imagine that this would only be
>> permissible in situations where the TTS plug-in offered no output, such
>> as
>> .lit files composed of scanned images.  I think this is slightly
>> different
>> in the UK, where there is no law governing accessibility of eBooks, and
>> instead it's left up to the old laws governing photocopying of books, in
>> which OCR, or at least scanning, of a limited portion of a book is
>> allowed.
>>
>> I am looking into the possibility of getting reader to work with at least
>> one of the popular screen readers with a friend from Microsoft.
>> Hopefully
>> something will come out of this.
>>
>> Will
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 6:12 PM
>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>>
>>
>>> Hi Will and all,
>>>
>>> Does MS Reader permit you to print pages from books?  If so, has anyone
>>> tried this with the virtual printer facilities of K1000 or OpenBook?
>>>
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>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 9:03 AM
>>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>>>
>>>
>>> > Hi;
>>> >
>>> > I wouldn't like to say at the moment.  The legality of this is unsure.
>> In
>>> > the U.S. legislation exists that states it's legal to convert ebooks
>>> > to
>>> > another format if they are inaccessible, but the big question is, by
>>> > providing a TTS plug-in for Reader, is the format considered
>>> > accessible?
>>> > I
>>> > know in the UK, you can use OCR to store only a part of a book on your
>>> > computer, and this prohibits distribution or alteration of the
>>> > content.
>>> > Outside of the UK and US I don't know anything about the legality of
>> this
>>> > sort of situation, and I wouldn't like to offer advice that may mean
>>> > you
>>> > break the law and are subsequently open to prosicution.
>>> >
>>> > I'm currently discussing the point with some folk from MS UK, who I
>>> > suspect,
>>> > being the format vendor, are in a position to make a judgement on the
>>> > legality.  I'll post more when I hear something from MS.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Will
>>> > Microsoft MVP (Visual Studio/VC++)
>>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> > From: "Nektarios Mallas" <nmallas@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:47 PM
>>> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Thanks for this.
>>> >> Do you know if there is any other way to extract the text from the
>> *.lit
>>> >> file and read it in other standard programs?
>>> >>
>>> >> Nektarios.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>>> >> Behalf
>>> >> Of Will Pearson
>>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:55 PM
>>> >> To: guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi;
>>> >>
>>> >> Whilst MS Reader isn't supported by any of the screen readers, there
>>> >> is
>>> >> a plug in.  Microsoft have provided a text to speech plug in for
>>> >> Reader
>>> >> that will read aloud the document.  It's based on MS SAPI, and uses
>>> >> the
>>> >> standard SAPI synth that ships with Windows.  You can find a download
>>> >> for this from the Reader downloads page.
>>> >>
>>> >> Will
>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> >> From: "Nektarios Mallas" <nmallas@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> >> To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 6:39 AM
>>> >> Subject: [guispeak] Microsoft ebook reader and the *.lit format.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > Hello list.
>>> >> > Is Microsoft ebook reader accessible by screen readers? Is there
>>> >> > any
>>> >> > other way to access a *.lit file and extract the text from it so
>>> >> > you
>>> >> > can read it with standard applications such as wordpad? Thanks.
>>> >> > Nektarios.
>>> >> >
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