Well Jim, count your blessing. two pigeons are better than three. heeheehee. Malcolm. I've just had a visitation. I left the back door open while I went from my kitchen to the living room - next door. We don't have issues leaving the doors open - our back doors open into an enclosed square, where there is no risk of unwanted entry...in theory. Anyway, I was in the living room when I heard a crash in the kitchen. I just turned round and two pigeons flew into my living room...through the kitchen! After my pulse stopped doing overtime, I suppose it's time to get the Flash and Dettol sprays out.... Anyone got a recipe for pigeon pie....or a shotgun to get rid of the neighbours who feed the dratted things? Jim PTL! Skype jim.liddell6