Hi Peter, sorry I haven't replied earlier but I've been studying your last reply and I think I have a little more idea of what I should be doing. You were right when you said I was over-estimating the abilities of Glade. That is because some shortcuts appear to work automatically while other wouldn't work at all and I couldn't figure out what was happening and why. I can understand the lisp source well enough to see how you did the cutting and pasting so that was a big help. Thanks for all your help, it's much appreciated, Derek. _______________________________________________________________ Hot new product - Spider Networks introduces stunning online ePortfolio solution for students and teachers http://www.spider-networks.net/solutions/eportfolio.html