Daniel, I've got a very specific opinion here (I do not like to 'have' my opinion because I'd like my system to boot faster, but...) In our 150,000+ PC environment, we specifically have turned that policy setting on (Enabled). It allows our devices to get certain GPO changes faster and more consistently. It also allows us to know that 'emergency' scripts directly hit targeted devices, the first time (and 'every' time), as they boot up. If you've ever been in an emergency situation, you 'know' that management wants to know the status of your emergency deployments and fixes every hour on the hour (and maybe even more often). Many times we have to use a Computer Startup script and without the 'Wait for the Network" setting, it typically requires a second reboot to deliver the patch. Yes, you could tell mgmt: "It'll take a couple of days to fix the 'xxxxx' issue (something running in the wild within your company) plus all the repair work to fix the problems. You see, we chose to shave a "few extra seconds" off the boot up time with this 'setting' and it'll take an extra full day (or reboot cycle) to get the devices patched. Yes, I know the factory is down...yes I know that costs us (X,000's - XXX,000's of dollars a day), but folks really wanted a few extra 'seconds' when booting every morning or when going to meetings in conference rooms." Instead, you could tell them: "All booting devices will be patched the moment they boot up 'today', the factory will have minimal downtime, and that there should be minimal cleanup work to do". Also, if you have any users with Roaming Profiles, their systems go into different behaviors (after the first time logging in) that essentially 're-enables' the 'wait for the network' behavior as they attempt to check against the user's profile server...and, of course, need the network ready to go. Lastly, the behaviors between client systems with no changes required versus those that need to wait for the network (roaming profiles or those processing GPO updates...like software deployments or new Computer Startup scripts) can make your Help Center's "End User Support Scripts" more complex and increase 'lost workstation hours' trying to support differences between the various systems. [These develop as instructions to resolve: "Sir/Madam: Please reboot your device now and you should be fixed. What? It didn't work, hmmm... well, let me elevate this to the next support level" ... and perhaps all that was needed was an additional reboot...but then, who really knows?] ======================================= Also, do not trust the 'visible' screen for what is happening. It can only list the things that the OS developer's told it to display...and in non-verbose mode, that's not much. If you were to switch the user login status display to verbose mode, you'd see much more (both at logon and at logoff). Much better is to know that logs such as UserEnv.log in verbose mode will show you nearly everything significant going on in the bootup/logon process. While the 'visible' display may be stuck at the message showing that 'security settings' are being applied, you'll discover that they started and completed in moments and that the developers just didn't update the 'visible' display. In fact, what I usually find is that the system is launching many different services and executables in the background... and "that's" what's going on. More detail on these kinds of activities can be captured using utilities like Sysinternals' (now Microsoft's) "Process Monitor" set to "Enable Boot Logging". Good Luck, Jerry -----Original Message----- From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Smith, Brad Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:00 AM To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gptalk] Re: always wait for network at computer startup or logon Daniel, We run 18,000 users and have just gone through a project to enable this. We have also seen the gains you quoted, with little or no side effects. I advise you to test against your environment fully (if you haven't already) but suggest you won't hit many problems if your environment is fairly generic MS. In addition, it might be an idea to run Autoruns on the machines that are reporting the slowest start times. MS have just released a new version, the link for it is below. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx Hope this helps, Brad -----Original Message----- From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of rpo Sent: 11 September 2008 06:23 To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [gptalk] always wait for network at computer startup or logon hi all, in trying to reduce startup/logon times. i'm reviewing a policy that has "always wait for network at computer startup or logon" set to enabled. in my testing ou, i've disabled it and startup times have decreased by around a min. apparently the default setting is disabled, but i'd like to hear about people's opinions on this setting? should it be on or off. additionally, in regards to the startup slowness, i notice there seems to be a long wait at "applying computer settings". what exactly occurs here? i've used policy reporter and it shows that during machine policy refresh, establishing the link speed and determining it is a fast link takes less than a second, there is then a 20-30 sec delay in the log before anything else starts happening, can anyone shed some light on this? thanks, daniel. *********************** You can unsubscribe from gptalk by sending email to gptalk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the freelists.org Web interface. 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