[gptalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy

  • From: "Darren Mar-Elia" <darren@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:28:08 -0800

I understand Justin and I'm not trying to be flip. I am pretty disgusted by
the poor support for Software Installation in Office 2007. If you have a
Microsoft rep, I would complain loud and hard to them about it. Maybe we're
all missing something amazing that they just haven't documented but I doubt
it. I think they just didn't take GPSI into account when they built this
release of Office. The only way it will get better is if  A LOT of people
complain about it. 

 

From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Salandra, Justin A.
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:22 PM
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy

 

I don't use redirected desktops and I am not a programmer and do not know
how to script.

 

Justin A. Salandra

MCSE Windows 2000 & 2003

Network and Technology Services Manager

Catholic Healthcare System

646.505.3681 - office

917.455.0110 - cell

 <mailto:jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx> jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx

 

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From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:57 PM
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy

 

Scripts? Folder Redirection? All lousy but plausible answers.

 

 

From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Salandra, Justin A.
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:19 AM
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy

 

How will you put icons on the desktop?

 

Justin A. Salandra

MCSE Windows 2000 & 2003

Network and Technology Services Manager

Catholic Healthcare System

646.505.3681 - office

917.455.0110 - cell

 <mailto:jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx> jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx

 

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From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of tools@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:17 AM
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [SPAM] [gptalk] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy
Importance: Low

 

Justin-

What are you trying to customize exactly? I did manage to install Office
2007 via GP using a config.xml file that excluded all apps except
Powerpoint, Excel, Word and Outlook. I've attached the file below so you can
see what it looks like:

 

- <Configuration Product="Ultimater">

- <!-- 

 <Display Level="full" CompletionNotice="yes" SuppressModal="no"
AcceptEula="no" /> 

  --> 

- <!-- 

 <Logging Type="standard" Path="%temp%" Template="Microsoft Office Ultimate
Setup(*).txt" /> 

  --> 

  <PIDKEY Value="####-####-#####-#####-#####" /> 

  <USERNAME Value="User" /> 

  <COMPANYNAME Value="SDM Softwware" /> 

- <!-- 

 <INSTALLLOCATION Value="%programfiles%\Microsoft Office" /> 

  --> 

- <!-- 

 <LIS CACHEACTION="CacheOnly" /> 

  --> 

- <!-- 

 <SOURCELIST Value="\\server1\share\Office12;\\server2\share\Office12" /> 

  --> 

- <!-- 

 <DistributionPoint Location="\\server\share\Office12" /> 

  --> 

  <OptionState Id="AccessFiles" State="absent" Children="force" /> 

  <OptionState Id="GrooveFiles" State="absent" Children="force" /> 

  <OptionState Id="PubPrimary" State="absent" Children="force" /> 

  <OptionState Id="OneNoteFiles" State="absent" Children="force" /> 

  <OptionState Id="XDOCSFiles" State="absent" Children="force" /> 

- <!-- 

 <Setting Id="Reboot" Value="IfNeeded" /> 

  --> 

- <!-- 

 <Command Path="msiexec.exe" Args="/i \\server\share\my.msi" QuietArg="/q"
ChainPosition="after" Execute="install" /> 

  --> 

  </Configuration>

 

 

From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Salandra, Justin A.
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 7:21 AM
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy

 

I will try that when the restore finishes.

 

 

Justin A. Salandra

MCSE Windows 2000 & 2003

Network and Technology Services Manager

Catholic Healthcare System

646.505.3681 - office

917.455.0110 - cell

 <mailto:jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx> jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx

 

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From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:05 AM
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy

 

Since you didn't do an admin install in the first place, how about just
using the msiexec <package location> /p <patch location) form of the
command?

 

 

From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Salandra, Justin A.
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 6:58 AM
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy

 

I tried the msiexec /a /p command and was unable to re-deploy the
application.  Got a MsiDatabaseCall failure.

 

Justin A. Salandra

MCSE Windows 2000 & 2003

Network and Technology Services Manager

Catholic Healthcare System

646.505.3681 - office

917.455.0110 - cell

 <mailto:jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx> jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx

 

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From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Salandra, Justin A.
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 8:00 PM
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy

 

I agree that is how it worked.  I have done it many times.  I cannpt figure
out how to apply the .msp to the network installation point, (the area where
we copied the install files to)

 

Would it be done using the msiexec command?

 

If so, would you still use the /a command?

 

Msiexec /a \\server\share\visio\visiopro.ww\visioww.msi
<file:///\\server\share\visio\visiopro.ww\visioww.msi>  /p
\\server\share\visio\updates\file.msp

 

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From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 3:05 PM
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy

 

Normally, the way it works prior to Office 2007 is this. Let's say you want
to deploy Office 2003 via GP. You create an admin install point, create any
MSTs and then deploy the package. Then, along comes a path. You patch the
install point using msiexec /p with the .msp file and then you issue a
re-deploy. That is what I was told is the proper order for these Office 2007
msps, but again, I haven't tried it.

 

 

From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Salandra, Justin A.
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 11:54 AM
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy

 

Since you can't add an .msp to a GPO, how do you get it to run
automatically?

 

I am not sure I understand this "needs to get applied after the initial
install and then you do a re-deploy on the package in GP to get your
previously installed clients to pick it up."  The initial install is via
GPO, so you are saying apply the policy, then run the .msp and then
re-deploy the policy?  That sounds wired.  

 

There has got to be a better way.

 

Justin A. Salandra

MCSE Windows 2000 & 2003

Network and Technology Services Manager

Catholic Healthcare System

646.505.3681 - office

917.455.0110 - cell

 <mailto:jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx> jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx

 

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From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 1:49 PM
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy

 

What I just learned is that the MSP needs to get applied after the initial
install and then you do a re-deploy on the package in GP to get your
previously installed clients to pick it up. I know it sounds hokey. I was
just on a call with the MS GP team and they are going to try and get the
Office team to document this better.  I will post something here when I find
it out.  Also, just in case, because I don't know if you mentioned it, but
Office 2007 does not support per-user Software Installation at all. Just so
you know.

 

 

From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Salandra, Justin A.
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 10:12 AM
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy

 

When modifying the config.xml I was able to enter in the license info,
however the .msp that I created and placed in the Updates folder did
nothing.  When I ran the .msp manually it appeared to do what I wanted, like
placing the icon on the desktop.

 

Is there a way to run the msiexec command to update the VisProWW.msi file
with the updates from the .msp.  Apparently, all the statements from
Microsoft that anything in this folder will be installed and applied during
initial install is false.  Unless this statement is if installing it
manually and not via Group Policy.

 

Justin A. Salandra

MCSE Windows 2000 & 2003

Network and Technology Services Manager

Catholic Healthcare System

646.505.3681 - office

917.455.0110 - cell

 <mailto:jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx> jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx

 

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From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 10:36 AM
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy

 

Right. If you go to the archive for this list, Michael Pietrzak had posted
some items about this. I don't believe the .msp buys you anything in terms
of customization. I hope to test some of this today, however.

 

From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Salandra, Justin A.
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 7:31 AM
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy

 

What about using the setup.exe /admin switch to create the .msp file?  I
read that if you leave the .msp file in the Updates folder of the folder
structure on the network share that it will apply it during installation.  I
am not sure I believe this works, because an installation of Visio 2007
pushed out but once I opened the product it asked me for the CD Key which I
had already put in the .msp file that I created.

 

Justin A. Salandra

MCSE Windows 2000 & 2003

Network and Technology Services Manager

Catholic Healthcare System

646.505.3681 - office

917.455.0110 - cell

 <mailto:jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx> jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx

 

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From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 4:50 PM
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] Re: Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy

 

Good question Justin. Actually it is possible to deploy Office 2007 through
GP but it has completely changed. You no longer create an admin install
point. You just copy the CD  bits to the share. And, it no longer supports
transforms. You have a file called config.xml that support minimal
customization that you put in the install directory along with the bits.
Really a step back actually. MS used to have a technet article describing
this but the pulled it recently. However, thanks to the wonders of Google,
you can still find it cached at 

 
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:kLaHkfhp8PoJ:technet2.microsoft.com/Off
ice/en-us/library/efd0ee45-9605-42d3-9798-3b698fff3e081033.mspx+config.xml+o
ffice+2007+
<http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:kLaHkfhp8PoJ:technet2.microsoft.com/Of
fice/en-us/library/efd0ee45-9605-42d3-9798-3b698fff3e081033.mspx+config.xml+
office+2007+%22Group+Policy%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1>
"Group+Policy"&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

 

Darren

 

From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Salandra, Justin A.
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 11:26 AM
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] Push out Visio 2007 via Group Policy

 

Does anyone know who the Office 2007 products can be pushed out via group
policy?  How do you create an administrative installation point?  How to you
include customizations?

 

Justin A. Salandra

MCSE Windows 2000 & 2003

Network and Technology Services Manager

Catholic Healthcare System

646.505.3681 - office

917.455.0110 - cell

 <mailto:jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx> jasalandra@xxxxxxxxxxx

 

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