[gptalk] Re: Problem with GPO Setting even after set to 'Not Configured'

  • From: TAZAMAL HUSSAIN <tazamal_hussain@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:20:32 +0000

All,
 
I'm not sure i understand the question (a bit slow like that)... so I will 
atempt to answer it. These test users where created by right clicking in the OU 
where I placed them and creating a new account (i have also copied existin 
accounts and the get same results). These domain users, i guess then when they 
log into an xp desktop I get their profile from the domain default user profile 
(??) and not the local All Users profile on the desktop (??). I created this a 
while back by creating a new user, logging in, configuring desktop, logging 
out, logging in as admin and copying the profile to the domain somewhere... I 
can get the details if it helps, i tend to document everything.
 
So are you saying that the domain default profile is where this stuck setting 
could be?
 
Have i answered your question?
 
Sorry have been slow to emails today...


From: darren@xxxxxxxxxxxx: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: [gptalk] Re: Problem 
with GPO Setting even after set to 'Not Configured'Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 
17:29:04 -0800






Looking at the doc, it sounds like this setting is stuck in the user’s profile, 
as Alan had suggested. How are your new user’s profiles created? My guess is 
that they are created from a template Default User Profile that has that path 
stuck in it.
 
Darren
 


From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of TAZAMAL HUSSAINSent: Monday, November 26, 2007 5:00 PMTo: 
gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: [gptalk] Re: Problem with GPO Setting even after 
set to 'Not Configured'
 
Alan, Darren, Jamie.... Your responses and guidance has been very much 
appreciated. I've done some screen scrapes to try and eliminate any things you 
guys may think i might be doing wrong... I hope these help us find a solution.  
I have attached a file, its not too big, hope you dont mind... Thanks so far on 
the quick responses so far. Lozz



From: darren@xxxxxxxxxxxx: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: [gptalk] Re: Problem 
with GPO Setting even after set to 'Not Configured'Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 
16:23:32 -0800

Alan-
Just to clarify, ntuser.pol should not exist in a default profile. It is 
created on the fly (both per-user and per-computer) for a given user and, as 
you correctly point out, contains the admin template policy settings (as well 
as preferences by the way) for the current user. The per-user version is held 
in the current user’s profile directory. It is responsible for the policy clean 
up process inasmuch as each time Admin. Template policy is processed, this 
“archive” file is read and any policy keys found in it are removed before the 
current Admin. Template policies are re-applied. So it is possible that this 
.pol file somehow did not get the policy in question added to it, and thus 
would not remove it. But this seems like a strange scenario.
 
Darren
 
 


From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
Behalf Of Alan & MargaretSent: Monday, November 26, 2007 3:19 PMTo: 
gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: [gptalk] Re: Problem with GPO Setting even after 
set to 'Not Configured'
 
Can you try removing the registry key manually, then reapplying the policy and 
see if it comes back?
 
What I suspect you may have done is got your default Profile screwed up. There 
are two files in the Default profile, the NTUser.dat file which contains the 
registry keys that are in use, plus the NTUser.Pol file that stores all of the 
non-tattooed polices that are to be removed. If these get out of synch, you can 
have the case that NTUser.dat contains a registry key but NTUser.Pol doesn't 
contain the key for removal. This will happen if when building the default 
profile, you copy across NTuser.dat but not NTUSER.POL
 
This means that new users inherit a registry which contains the key but the 
NTUSER.POL does not contain the key to remove it as part of tattoo processing. 
However, once you manually remove it, it wont come back. While the best way to 
fix it for new users is to rebuild your Default profile from scratch, if this 
is the only error, you can simply remove the entry from the NTUSER.DAT. 
Existing users are somewhat harder to fix. I suspect the only way is a batch 
file that removes the key on a once of basis. The trouble is that you need to 
leave it running until all profiles on all machines have been fixed., 
 
Alan Cuthbertson
 
 
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http://www.sysprosoft.com/index.php?ref=activedir&f=pol_summary.shtml
 
ADM Template Editor:-
http://www.sysprosoft.com/index.php?ref=activedir&f=adm_summary.shtml
 
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http://www.sysprosoft.com/index.php?ref=activedir&f=policyreporter.shtml
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Nelson, Jamie R Contr 72 
CS/SCBAFSent: Tuesday, 27 November 2007 4:21 AMTo: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: 
[gptalk] Re: Problem with GPO Setting even after set to 'Not Configured'
 
Then, as Darren suggested, you need to run a RSoP on that system/user
and ensure you're not getting it from somewhere else. Eliminate that
possibility first.
 
Also, are you sure GP is processing correctly on the system? When you
run your RSoP, check and see if any GP related events occurred.
 
Regards,
Jamie Nelson
 
-----Original Message-----
From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of TAZAMAL HUSSAIN
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:12 AM
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] Re: Problem with GPO Setting even after set to 'Not
Configured'
 
Hi Jamie,
 
Yup... gave that a go.. rebooted few times etc but still that setting is
coming down and shown in the user registry hive. Within the GPMC
settings view of the defdompol, there is no sign that this setting
(ForcePST) is now set... and the only GPO applied to this User is
defdompol... 
 
Thanks for you reply
 
Loz  
 
> Subject: [gptalk] Re: Problem with GPO Setting even after set to 'Not
Configured'
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:58:51 -0600
> From: Jamie.Nelson.ctr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 
> Have you done a 'gpupdate /force /target:user' from the command-line?
> Sometimes if you forcefully reapply the policy it will correct things
> like that.
> 
> Regards,
> Jamie Nelson
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of TAZAMAL HUSSAIN
> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:36 PM
> To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [gptalk] Problem with GPO Setting even after set to 'Not
> Configured'
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> I have also posted this to Group Policy Forums @ Microsoft. Trying to
> get some exposure to this problem... hoping someone can shed some
light.
> I have tried to describe exactly what is going on being a descriptive
as
> possible. If I get an answer on the on the Microsoft forum i'll post
it
> over to here if anyone is interested.... 
> 
> I have pasted the Thread I have started already:
> 
> 
> 2 posts altogether:
> 
> Hey Guys,
> > 
> > Okay, although I have not found an answer yet, I *think* I have made
> some 
> > progress and am on the right lines, again if anyone has any comments
> please 
> > do let me know.
> > 
> > .... after a lot of googling everything was pointing to the fact
that
> I MUST 
> > HAVE at some point applied the Outlook ADM to the def-dom-pol with
the
> 
> > setting for 'default path for PST Files' pointing to my network
> location. 
> > After applying it I must have ripped out the ADM template from the 
> > def-dom-pol and applied it specifically to the OU where I wanted the
> GPO to 
> > apply. Hence this *probably* caused GPMC to give the output of
> 'display names 
> > for some setting cannot be found....'
> > 
> > So... in an attempt to correct this.... Within the def-dom-pol I
added
> the 
> > Outlook ADM template back in... And set the setting for the PST path
> to 'not 
> > configured'.. . Rebooted an XP client, logged in with a new user but
> still 
> > outlook is pushing the path of the PST to the network store when
> configuring a POP3 email account.
> > 
> > The strange thing still is even though I have configured the setting
> now to 
> > 'Not Configured' (and hence it does not now display in the GPMC
> settings tab 
> > for the def-dom-pol GPO as being set at all) AND the ONLY policy
that
> is 
> > applied to Users (for new users created after this change as well)
is
> the 
> > def-dom-pol ONLY, the users registry hive is still showing the
network
> location path in the 
> > ForcePST registry key under 
> > HKCU\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Office\Outlook..... which I thought
> was a 
> > protected registry area that doesn;t suffer from tatooing i.e.... is
> this 
> > tatooing? 
> > 
> > My head is kind of spinning now... as i think i am getting out of my
> depth... 
> > any steer would be great. All i am looking to achieve is for users
> (not within a specific OU) default outlook PST path to point to where
it
> would have pointed if I didn;t mess with this setting... its as if the
> default PST location value is now the network path if I leave this
> setting to 'Not Configured'
> > 
> > lozza 
> > 
> > 
> > 'lozza' wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Guys,
> > > 
> > > I am confused by what is going on here.... looking for some help:
> > > 
> > > In AD i have an OU with a GPO applied. This GPO, as well as other
> user
> > > settings, sets User Configuration\Administrative Tools\Microsoft
> Office 
> > > Outlook 2003\Miscellaneous\PST Settings\Default location for PST
> files.... to 
> > > a network location (I dont have any other option!). Now my
> understanding was 
> > > that this should apply to all users within the OU that is GPO is
> linked to... 
> > > and it does, just fine, was happy until today
> > > 
> > > However....
> > > 
> > > When I create a new user in AD, and place him in any other OU that
> does not 
> > > have this GPO linked to it (and only the Default domain Policy),
> this setting 
> > > still applies to the user when configuring outlook... it
shouldn't,
> should it?
> > > 
> > > So... I went into GPMC, clicked the OU the user sits in on the
left
> hand side, 
> > > clicked 'Group Policy Inheritance' tab on the right pane and see
> that ONLY 
> > > the Default Domain Policy is being applied... which it should
be...
> good
> > > 
> > > So... I clicked on the Default domain policy on the left hand side
> pane of 
> > > GPMC and on the right hand side pane clicked the settings tab
which
> shows me 
> > > all configured settings within this GPO. AND THERE IT WAS! under
> User 
> > > Configuration, Administrative Templates, Extra Registry Settings
it
> says:
> > > 
> > > 'Display names for some settings cannot be found. You might be
able
> to 
> > > resolve this issue by updating the .ADM files used by Group Policy
 
> > > Management' 
> > > 
> > > and directly under that it specifies:
> > > 
> > > Setting:
> Software\Policies\Microsoft\Office\11.0\Outlook\ForcePSTPath
> > > State: \\Network File server where PSTs are stored in the GPO its
> configured 
> > > for...
> > > 
> > > So why is this setting, that is set in another GPO specifically
> linked to one particular OU also in my Default Domain Policy? When I
> > > open the defdompol to configure it I dont see the template that
sets
> this setting, in fact I dont see any of the Microsoft 
> > > Office stuff in the defdompol GPO as I didn't add any additional
> administrative templates to the Default Domain GPO.
> > > 
> > > Truly confused and a bit worried that I've messed my default
domain 
> > > policy... does anyone know what i;m talking about?
> > > 
> > > Lozz
> 
> 
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