[gptalk] Re: I Need The Perfect Desktop WMI Filter
- From: "Nelson, Jamie R" <Jamie.Nelson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:22:49 -0600
Hmmm, a security group based solution is probably the only way to do
something like this. The problem with that is it would require a minimum
of 2 reboots before systems get scoped in by a GPO. However, it would
give you a lot more flexibility.
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From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:20 PM
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] Re: I Need The Perfect Desktop WMI Filter
You can certainly use a NOT operator in a query but that doesn't help
when what you're trying to find a lack of instances. The key would be to
see if there is a way to form a query that results in true if no
instances of a class (e.g. Win32_Battery) are found. I haven't found a
way to do that yet, but I'm guessing it is possible with the right
syntax.
No changes to this in 2008, btw.
Darren
From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Nelson, Jamie R
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:13 PM
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] Re: I Need The Perfect Desktop WMI Filter
Yeah, I use ChassisType all the time in scripting logic...guess I have
never tried to use it in a WMI filter before.
You're right in that it doesn't work with arrays. It's too bad you can't
configure the reverse of a filter (so the filter applies if a statement
is FALSE). If that were possible you could just use the reverse of
Win32_Battery and you'd be done. Are WMI filters going to be more
flexible in Server 2008?
One thing you might think about doing is this...have a startup script
that adds systems to a domain security group (if you detect them to be a
laptop) and apply your filtering that way. It would be kind of similar
to how the WMI Filtering for Windows 2000 solution
<http://www.mml.ru/WMIF2K/> works, except I would not mess with the
whole server-side component. Just give "Domain Computers" managed-by
rights to the group.
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From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Jakob H. Heidelberg
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:02 PM
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] Re: I Need The Perfect Desktop WMI Filter
That's not gonna work at all - because that's an Array. WMI filters/WQL
cannot handle arrays unfortunately. I know many forums claim that class
is a solution - but for WMI queries it's not, with scripting logic it's
no problem.
The Win32_Fan class could also work - but in my case both laptops and
desktops "reject" that class (return false as they are empty).
This is really strange... Sometimes, stuff that seems so simple, really
isn't - please prove me wrong J
Regards
/Jakob
From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Nelson, Jamie R
Sent: 11. februar 2008 21:53
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Subject: [gptalk] Re: I Need The Perfect Desktop WMI Filter
So you haven't had any luck with ChassisTypes in Win32_SystemEnclosure?
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From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:37 PM
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] Re: I Need The Perfect Desktop WMI Filter
Its certainly a tough problem. Of course, GP Preferences has a laptop
vs. desktop filter built into it for its settings but it doesn't do any
good for the regular GP settings. One other class you might try. I did a
quick check of my desktop vs. laptop. What came back is that my desktop
has instances of the Win32_Fan class, but my laptop does not. Maybe???
Darren
From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Jakob H. Heidelberg
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 12:05 AM
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] Re: I Need The Perfect Desktop WMI Filter
I can't seem to make that work - in my case my laptop has 2 SystemSlots
(CardBus + Mini-PCI) and my desktop returns 2 (AGP and PCI). I'm using
Scriptomatic for this.
Also, using WQL I wouldn't know how to make a "count" - as that would be
needed I guess?
I could maybe try to go for "PCI%", as I expect most desktops to have
PCI slots (and laptops to have Mini-PCI, but that would depend on the
form factor) - or maybe AGP (does onboard VGA count as AGP? Any PCI VGA
left out there?) - something like:
A) Select * From Win32_SystemSlot Where SlotDesignation = "PCI%"
Or
B) Select * From Win32_SystemSlot Where SlotDesignation = "AGP"
Would that run through ALL slots on the machine, exactly like:
A)
strComputer = "."
bolFound = False
Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
"\root\CIMV2")
Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM Win32_SystemSlot")
For Each objItem In colItems
If Left(Ucase(objItem.SlotDesignation),3) = "PCI" Then bolFound = True
Next
Msgbox bolFound
B)
strComputer = "."
bolFound = False
Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
"\root\CIMV2")
Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM Win32_SystemSlot")
For Each objItem In colItems
If Ucase(objItem.SlotDesignation) = "AGP" Then bolFound = True
Next
Msgbox bolFound
If this is "true", the it might just do it - as Virtual Machines does
not have these slots I cannot test the WMI filter right now. Still not
convinced, but I think we are closer to the goal now J
Thanx!
/Jakob
From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: 11. februar 2008 01:21
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] Re: I Need The Perfect Desktop WMI Filter
Yes, I can understand the problem. You want desktops to return True all
the time instead of having them return false. One idea that might be
worth exploring is querying Win32_SystemSlot. My expectation is that
laptops should have 0 system slots or at least no more than 1, though I
don't have one to test now, and that desktops should have > 0. So that
might be worth exploring.
Darren
From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Jakob H. Heidelberg
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:02 PM
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] Re: I Need The Perfect Desktop WMI Filter
Hi Darren,
I have to turn it around somehow - have been there (just selecting the
class) - the thing is the query will return FALSE on a desktop (have
tested with you WMI TEST tool too). So, a desktop will not load the GPO.
Select * from Win32_Battery is OK for spotting a laptop though. But, I'm
basically looking for something like:
A) Select * from Win32_SomeClassOnlyDesktopsHave
Or
B )Select * from Win32_SomeClass.SomeValue = "SomeValueOnlyDesktopsHave"
Or
C) Some way of saying "if you don't know the class (eg. Battery), apply
the GPO anyway" (Brainstorm: On Error, NULL return etc. - just not
possible with WQL).
The "quest" is to find the perfect, *universal*, way of spotting
"Non-laptops" or Desktops - it can be done by looking for some special
computer Manufacturer, computer Model, BIOS version or whatever - but
that's different from environment to environment.
Any ideas?
Regards & thanks
/Jakob
From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: 10. februar 2008 20:34
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] Re: I Need The Perfect Desktop WMI Filter
Jakob-
I think you were close when you were using Win32_Battery. That is the
one thing that you can reliably say that laptops have, but desktops
don't. So, have you tried the following:
Select * from Win32_Battery
Just that. Nothing else. What that does is determine if there are any
instances of that class. If not (i.e., on a desktop machine) it returns
false. If so, on a laptop, it returns true.
Waddya think?
Darren
From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Jakob H. Heidelberg
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 8:36 AM
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] I Need The Perfect Desktop WMI Filter
Hi all,
I'm in desperate need of *the perfect WMI filter for spotting DESKTOP
computers only* - have been thinking about this for some days now.
I've been around solutions looking for ChassisType before - which
basically doesn't work because that's an Array. Have tried
PowerSupplyState, DesktopMonitor, DisplayConfiguration and others - just
haven't found the perfect "this is definitely a desktop WMI value"...
I've also been around using Battery/PortableBattery
/PCMCIAController/POTSModem - which all work fine to spot LAPTOPS...
However, desktops don't know the CLASS at all, so they return FALSE no
matter what. I can't even say things like "Select * From Win32_Battery
Where Availability != 2" or "Where Not X Like Y" or whatever - a desktop
doesn't handle the Win32_Battery class at all, so it's gonna say "Heck,
I don't know anything about that class *Panic* - I'm out!" - or just
"False" J.
The thing is, that normally it's the LAPTOPS that have special hardware
- like Batteries and built-in Modems, PCMCIA slots etc. - so they are
pretty easy to find. With desktop computers it's another story for my
part - hope you can help me out here.
Please - I know lot's of "workarounds", but what I need is a *WMI
filter* and it has to return *TRUE* for *DESKTOPS* (or let's call the
NON-LAPTOPS, it doesn't matter). Also, if the customer had used computer
names like "DESKxxx" for desktops and "LAPTxxx" for laptops, I know I
could have used WMI filters for computer name - but unfortunately that's
not the case. You could say I'm looking for a global solution for
spotting DESKTOPS using WMI filter - I know lots of cases where this
could come in handy.
Hope to hear from you soon! J
Best regards
Jakob H. Heidelberg
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