[gptalk] Re: "Always use local ADM files..." setting oddness
- From: "Tony Murray [HIQ]" <Tony.Murray@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:26:35 +1200
Hi Alan and Bart
I guess I'm Tom and Tony? :-) Oh well, at least with schizophrenia
you're never alone...
So, what I think I hear you saying is that I should disable "Always use
local ADM files for Group Policy editor" and enable "Turn off automatic
updates of ADM files" instead?
When I do this I see some behaviour that I was not expecting, namely:
* ADM files are not copied up to the GPO in SYSVOL for new GPOs
unless I explicitly add them using Add/Remove Templates in GPEDIT.
* When I create a new GPO it loads all the ADM files from the
local %windir%\inf. I can remove the ADMs I don't need by using
Add/Remove Templates in GPEDIT, but I first need to add them.
Is this what you would expect? If so, it gives me a workaround but
seems kludgy.
Cheers
Tony
From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Alan & Margaret
Sent: Wednesday, 04 April 2007 23:00
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Subject: [gptalk] Re: "Always use local ADM files..." setting oddness
Hi Bart,
I would accept "similar" :-)
I would just like to get it back to the old way it worked before
Microsoft tried to make it better! Only use the ADM files that sit
within the policy and never automatically update them.
Alan Cuthbertson
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Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 6:34 PM
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Subject: [gptalk] Re: "Always use local ADM files..." setting oddness
Isn't that the same as what i've said, alan ? :-)
Vriendelijke groeten,
Cordialement,
Kind Regards,
Schillebeeks Bart
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Small and Departmental Systems - NT Systems Fortis Bank
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On Behalf Of Alan & Margaret
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 10:28 AM
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Subject: [gptalk] Re: "Always use local ADM files..." setting oddness
Hi Tom & Tony
My take on this is slightly different. I prefer to disable "automatic
Updates of ADM files" and disable the "always use Local ADM Files for
Group Policy Editor" but only have those Templates in the Policy that
you want to use. This has the following advantages:_
* Limited bloat since there aren't many ADM files in the Policies
* Everyone sees the same thing on all machines
* You can have different versions of the same ADM file in
different policies
* Minimal display inside GPEDIT
* Other people cannot accidentally change your ADM files
Of course you don't have multi language support though.
When you look at ADMX files it moves in the direction of a single set of
ADMX files used by all policies on the domain. You can't load a subset
for each policy. This will give you Tom's problem of a very cluttered
display. It also means if you have one domain and a central store of
ADMX files, it is a bit difficult to test ADMX files, since if you get
one wrong, no one can look at any admx settings until you fix it.
Perhaps Darren could tell us if there is a registry setting to select a
different location for ADMX files for testing. But then, everyone does
there testing in a separate domain ....
Alan Cuthbertson
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ADM Template Editor:-
http://www.sysprosoft.com/index.php?ref=activedir&f=adm_summary.shtml
Policy Log Reporter(Free)
http://www.sysprosoft.com/index.php?ref=activedir&f=policyreporter.shtml
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On Behalf Of bart.schillebeeks@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, 4 April 2007 5:56 PM
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Subject: [gptalk] Re: "Always use local ADM files..." setting oddness
Hi tom,
How is it going down under :-)
Normal behaviour since the editor just reads all the adm's it finds. In
the sysvol it's only the assigned templates in the gpo, Locally it's all
of them you have stocked.
Best thing to do according to me is to
* "Turn off automatic updates of ADM files" this will thus not
overwrite any sysvol adm templates with local versions.
* "When group policy is selecting a DC it should use PRIMARY
DOMAIN CONTROLLER" this makes sure you always attach to your PDC role.
* Disable ADM in NTFRS replication by setting a filter on the
sysvol replication "*.adm" in the registry , this will exclude *.adm
files from replicating. (you can find this also in a KB somewhere, lost
the KB nr which it was :-( )
You have thus a system that only allows ADM on the PDC , to which you
only connect to, your sysvol bloat is gone etc...
You now only need to maintain your local ADM files on your GPO
administration workstation to make sure they are the latest versions, of
course if you have multiple administrators you need to make sure they
have the same ADM's.
This way you will select adm for the PDC's sysvol , in a normal manner,
and only see those that you've assigned.
Oh yeah Don't change PDC roles , as you will have to re-assing all adm's
again (or copy them over first)
Vriendelijke groeten,
Cordialement,
Kind Regards,
Schillebeeks Bart
Active Directory Security Consultant
Small and Departmental Systems - NT Systems Fortis Bank
Bart.schillebeeks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
AD Internet Consulting BVBA
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From: gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:gptalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Tony Murray [HIQ]
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 5:58 AM
To: gptalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gptalk] "Always use local ADM files..." setting oddness
Hi all
I'm attempting to implement the recommendations for managing ADM files
as shown in the following KB article:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/816662
I've got a management workstation for managing GPOs (actually a VM
running W2K3 SP1) and have implemented the policy "Always use local ADM
files for Group Policy editor". All seems to be ok, but for the fact
that GPEDIT now loads all of the ADM templates from %windir%\inf
whenever I open a GPO for editing. As we have quite a number of custom
and other ADMs this creates a very busy view. The "Always use local
ADM files for Group Policy editor" setting appears to make the
Add/Remove Templates option redundant.
Is there any way to have the "Always use local ADM files for Group
Policy editor" setting in place and selectively add in the ADMs that I
want to use for each GPO? Put another way, can I have my cake and eat
it?
Thanks
Tony
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