[gps-talkusers] Re: how to deal with multi path in cities
- From: "rita weyler" <ritaweyler@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 21:36:47 -0500
Mike do you think it is a good idea to have a compass as well as the gps to
make sure of accurate direction?
Rita
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael May" <mikemay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 10:46 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: how to deal with multi path in cities
Dave,
The location does not vary in terms of its absolute position. You might
here that it is to your left, then to your right. However, it would always
be at a consistent compass direction and the distance to the location
would be reliable.
Mike
At 06:07 PM 6/27/2006, you wrote:
Mike, if the heading varies during signal degradation, would the location
of what ever you are looking for vary as well?
Dave
taxation WITH representation isn't so hot, either!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael May"
<mikemay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "GPS-talkusers-freelists.org" <GPS-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 7:19 AM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] how to deal with multi path in cities
There is one minor down side to the latest super sensative GPS receivers.
When you are among tall buildings, it is amazing how well these
receivers, like the Holux, report several satellites. The problem is that
the quality of those signals is degraded because they are bouncing
between the buildings. this is called multi path. The good news is that
your position can be tracked but the bad news is that your accuracy and
particularly your heading is degraded by this multi path.
You'll know this is happening when you find your direction of travel
swinging all over the place. Walk in a constant direction and keep
hitting the H key for heading and see if there is any consistency or not.
If you see 90 degree shifts in your heading, you are experiencing multi
path.
So I ask myself, "Self, what can I do about heading swings?" First, note
that the compass direction for your destination will not shift as the
compass reading is by definition constent. If your destination is
reported as Northwest, that will not change no matter what your relative
heading says. You must then rely on this compass direction by either
using an actual tactile or audio compass to verify your real heading, or
determine your compass direction from the GPS when you are not among tall
buildings and keep track of that heading once you are among the
buildings. In other words, if the GPS heading is going to be flakey, it
is up to you to know the compass direction.
If you know the compass direction, you can then utilize the other
information the system is giving you to navigate a route or to use the
getting warmer method to get to your destination.
Besides the compass direction, you will want to rely heavily on the
distance to your destination or waypoint decreasing. Even if your heading
is reported to be South and your Destination is north, if the distance to
the destination decreases, don't turn around. A decreasing distance to
your destination is something you can depend upon.
This multi path is not something that will vary among receivers or
systems. We have tested the $900 Garmin Nuvi receiver against the Holux
in this kind of situation and there was no difference.
Until you get out of the tall buildings, pay close attention to that
compass direction and to the distance to destination.
Mike
Michael G. May
CEO Sendero Group
Developers and distributors of BrailleNote GPS
Distributing BrailleNote, VoiceNote, Talks, Miniguide, The Tissot Silen-T
tactile watch, and the ID Mate bar code reader
MikeMay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
http://www.SenderoGroup.com
1-888-757-6810, Fax (530) 757-6830, Mobile (530) 304-0007
Sendero Group, LLC
1118 Maple Lane, Davis, CA 95616-1723, USA
Latitude, 38 33 9.239 North
Longitude, 121 45 40.145 West
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Dave,
The location does not vary in terms of its absolute position. You might here that it is to your left, then to your right. However, it would always be at a consistent compass direction and the distance to the location would be reliable.
Mike At 06:07 PM 6/27/2006, you wrote:
Mike, if the heading varies during signal degradation, would the location of what ever you are looking for vary as well?
Dave
taxation WITH representation isn't so hot, either!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael May" <mikemay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "GPS-talkusers-freelists.org" <GPS-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 7:19 AM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] how to deal with multi path in cities
There is one minor down side to the latest super sensative GPS receivers. When you are among tall buildings, it is amazing how well these receivers, like the Holux, report several satellites. The problem is that the quality of those signals is degraded because they are bouncing between the buildings. this is called multi path. The good news is that your position can be tracked but the bad news is that your accuracy and particularly your heading is degraded by this multi path.
You'll know this is happening when you find your direction of travel swinging all over the place. Walk in a constant direction and keep hitting the H key for heading and see if there is any consistency or not. If you see 90 degree shifts in your heading, you are experiencing multi path.
So I ask myself, "Self, what can I do about heading swings?" First, note that the compass direction for your destination will not shift as the compass reading is by definition constent. If your destination is reported as Northwest, that will not change no matter what your relative heading says. You must then rely on this compass direction by either using an actual tactile or audio compass to verify your real heading, or determine your compass direction from the GPS when you are not among tall buildings and keep track of that heading once you are among the buildings. In other words, if the GPS heading is going to be flakey, it is up to you to know the compass direction.
If you know the compass direction, you can then utilize the other information the system is giving you to navigate a route or to use the getting warmer method to get to your destination.
Besides the compass direction, you will want to rely heavily on the distance to your destination or waypoint decreasing. Even if your heading is reported to be South and your Destination is north, if the distance to the destination decreases, don't turn around. A decreasing distance to your destination is something you can depend upon.
This multi path is not something that will vary among receivers or systems. We have tested the $900 Garmin Nuvi receiver against the Holux in this kind of situation and there was no difference.
Until you get out of the tall buildings, pay close attention to that compass direction and to the distance to destination.
Mike
Michael G. May
CEO Sendero Group
Developers and distributors of BrailleNote GPS
Distributing BrailleNote, VoiceNote, Talks, Miniguide, The Tissot Silen-T tactile watch, and the ID Mate bar code reader
MikeMay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.SenderoGroup.com
1-888-757-6810, Fax (530) 757-6830, Mobile (530) 304-0007 Sendero Group, LLC 1118 Maple Lane, Davis, CA 95616-1723, USA
Latitude, 38 33 9.239 North Longitude, 121 45 40.145 West
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