[gps-talkusers] Re: e: Re: Possible Bug

I think it depends on the application. Probably most times it's point to point navigation in a car. One feature that's nice though is one that's like the point of interest features. I had to find a quick and dirty set of headphones last week after my laptop and case were stolen from a work site. The car feature was able to show all the Wallgreens in my local area and route us to the closest one. What's interesting about Auto GPS systems V. the Sendero product are all the features on the auto systems that are disabled for legal reasons. Everytime an auto GPS system is started you have to accept a user agreement which goes on and on about how you can't trust GPS data intirely and use common sense. (evidence that the lawyers are killing us) Also, you can't set or adjust your route once you're under way. You literally have to shut the car off and restart to adjust your route. Luckally, as in all things electronic there's a work around.;) I placed a $50 module in line with the remote control port and now all my "safety features" are disabled. I mention this because it illustrates how much more advanced the Sendero package is over what most people assume is good GPS in a car. It's also interesting how consumers have to be "protected" from their devices, sad actually.;( There's just something that offends me on the deepest level when I buy equipment and I'm blocked from using it's features, even though I've paid my hard earned money for it. As long as your receiver has a good view of the sky though I'd suspect that the Sendero GPS would win in most settings over what's comercially available to consumers.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco@xxxxxx> 
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Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:31 AM
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Most motorists I know are only concerned with getting from point A to
point B and do not really care what they are passing by, until they get
near to their destination.  For passengers, it's a different story
entirely.

Andy


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This is an interesting one.

I have found that even after giving GPS demonstrations to people who are
sighted in their own community that they find things that they didn't
even know were there. These aare locations that they past by all of the
time on a daily basis going to and from home. This happens to a greater
extent with blind  folks  because so much of the information is visual
signage. It is almost like a new window has opened when they hear  the
Sendero GPS announcing things like the streets they are on, the cross
streets and the various points of interest that are around them.

This was the feeling that I had when I first obtained the Sendero GPS
two years ago. I felt that i was in control and didn't have to rely on
sighted people telling me about what things were around and what streets
I was on and what streets we were approaching. I find myself being the
person answering questions like, "what street are we on?" and, "where
are we?" It is quite powerful having this ability to have just as much
if not more information than the sighted folks you are with. The people
I was in the car with were stunned when I was able to say we were on 4th
and Mission. I also find myself being the person finding distances to
certain locations, getting the phone number of restaurants and making
reservations all within a matter of a few seconds. I also find myself
being the person saving the driver from unfolding their map on the
dashboard and me telling them where to turn and where to get on and off
the freeway.

All of this access to  location information wouldn't be possible if it
weren't for the Sendero GPS, the hard work of the Sendero Group,
especially Mike May and Charles LaPierre.

I wouldn't even think twice about walking out the door without my PK and
GPS.

Kevin





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Go point.  I am from a small town and now live on a small college
campus, so once I know the area that is all I need to know.  In a larger
city it would be very difficult to navigate, and I can see how a gps
could help there.
Even in small towns it would have helped to have had gps grow up.

Have a great day,
Alex


----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Grabowski <chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Date sent: Sat, 10 May 2008 22:48:21 -0400
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: e: Re: Possible Bug



Hi Alex,
I disagree, GPS is helpful in day to day situations.
..
When I purchased GPS in 2002, I bought it to assist me in riding

the

bus to and from work.  a place and a bus line I had traveled to

and

from for 10 years and knew like the back of my hand.
Chris
On Sat, 10 May 2008 22:38:07 -0400, Alex Hall <mehgcap@xxxxxxx>

wrote:


Depends on your travel; if you go places a lot alone and they are new
areas then it would probably be helpful.  If you are normally in your
home town, campus, or whatever then it will not be as useful a tool as



if you travel a lot.  It is a decision only you can make, though, and
keep in mind that upgrades cost about as much as keysoft upgrades and,



as with ks, you cannot skip updates; just as you cannot go from ks7.0
to 7.5 without installing 7.2 first, you cannot go from gps version
3.5 to 4.2 without installing 4 first.



Have a great day,
Alex



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Date sent: Wed, 05 May 2010 20:59:57 -0700
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Hi skott i am not a new user of the braille note.  I am wondering if
i would need the gps do you think I need It Skott? Drew



----- Original Message -----
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Date sent: Sat, 10 May 2008 18:53:15 -0700
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Also don't forget, as I think Charles mentioned some time

ago, GPS has less resolution than the readings in your car.
Everything GPS is broken in to one second blocks where the dials are
hard wired so the dials will show micro speed changes more
accurately.  GPS is more accurarte when you're dealing with a
constant rate of direction and speed.



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 Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 5:17 PM
 Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Possible Bug




 Is Richard a bug?



 In a message dated 5/10/2008 6:08:58 P.M.  Eastern

Daylight Time, rich.irwin@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:

   Hey Richard, haven't seen you since our Mexico Cruise.



   Regarding this speed difference, our GPS systems should

be much more

   reliable than any car speedometer.  The speedometer

could be off for many

   reasons such as transmission and rear end gear ratio or

tire size and

   pressure.



   Rich Irwin
   rich.irwin@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Richard Bartholomew

   Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:28 PM
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   I, too, have noticed the difference in reported speeds

between a speedometer



   and the GPS - all versions of the GPS since, 2, I think

and across

   receivers.  However, I have put this down to the fact

that I've been told

   that car speedos are intentionally set slightly higher

than actual speed in

   an effort to curb speeding!



   Possibly not true, I suppose, but I like the sound of

it!



   Regards



   Richard Bartholomew
   E-Mail:  richard_bartholomew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



   ----- Original Message -----
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Actually, I have found this too as of v4 with a blue

logger.  In lower

versions with the same receiver and bn it reported fine,

but now,

especially while walking (as opposed to moving in a

vehicle) it seems much



faster than it used to; my normal walking speed was around

2 mph or so and



now it is normally around 3-3.8 even though I walk the

same.  This happens



with all types of coverage and, as I said, with v4 (sorry

Sendero, but my

money goes to keysoft first--v4 is good enough for me).



Have a great day,
Alex



----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Chao <kevinchao89@xxxxxxxxx
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Date sent: Thu, 8 May 2008 17:32:17 -0700
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Possible Bug



Jeff,



So, you are running the latest,Sendero GPS 4.22 and are

noticing

that it

seems to report the speed information 2-2.5 MPH below the

actual

speed? I

would seem about obtaining a Holux M-1000, the latest and

greatest supported

receiver   and see if this issue is still occuring.  The

only

thing that i

can think of is the timing of iether the key press of for

the GPS

to capture

your speed is about a second off.



Most of the time, I have found the speed reported from a

speedometer and the

Sendero GPS are insync.



Kevin



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Jeff

Molzow

Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 12:13 PM
To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Possible Bug



Hello All:



This is not a major bug, but thought I'd put it out there.

I

thought for a

while that it was either my receiver or VoiceNote, but I'm

getting

consistent speed differences when driving at highway speed

between the

Sendero and 2 other tested GPS's and almost ANY speedometer.

In

all cases,

I'm almost exactly 2 to 2.5 mph slower then their measured

speeds.  If they

are traveling 70 mph, the Sendero will show 68 mph.  I don't

remember this

error being present in earlier releases.  In the grand

scheme of

things, not

a huge difference and at walking speed, probably error is

non-existent,

however I wanted to see if others are finding similar

results.



For the record, I've tried this on a GPSlim236, the blue

logger,

and the

old Magellan (I think).  The one with the serial cable and 2

double A

batteries.  I've also just gotten the motherboard replaced

in my

VoiceNote QT

so I don't think it's the bluetooth stack.  I compared my

speed

reading

between both a Garmin and Magellan car mounted GPS and have

found

similar

test differences between myself and those, and just about

every

speedometer

I've tested against.



Just Curious
Jeff




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