[gps-talkusers] Re: Windows Pocket PC and GPS

Actually, mike, that's not quite correct. With Mobilespeak the copilot products and destinator 6 have decent functionality but no where near the sindero product since Sindero specializes to our requirements more effectively (or even at all). My honest take on things is that screen reading on windows mobile seems to be where jfw 2.x was in the mid / late 90's. (starting to be really usable but some big holes still in accessibility) Since I bashed specific blind devices let me just add that sometimes that's the only way to go. I can imagine that your lives are made easier by having to design for a very few devices with locked non changing operating systems. (or much less evolving than consumer versions) You don't have to QA Sindero on each type of Pocket PC or device of the day. Also, I'm sure the installed base of braille notes and such is far greater than the installed base of screen readers on pocket devices. In the end I suspect that will shift. There are a lot (I think anyway) of us blind users out here who prefer (when possible) off the shelf gear for many reasons not purely technical. I'm glad Pocket PC is at least under consideration. (As a side note, I really like the interface with the pen and tapping / button combinations. I also prefer the qwerty keyboard over a braille interface but maybe I'm just odd) My teachers did to good of a job teaching me to touch type (wink wink).
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael May" <MikeMay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:07 AM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Windows Pocket PC and GPS
I agree with Scott, it is nice to have a PDA which can work with things like Bluetooth receivers and other hardware.
However, not all applications running on these Pocket mobile devices is easily navigated with a screen reader. Some apps work great, some work partially and some work terribly.
When PC screen readers started out, there was the same problem in regular Windows. Don't think that pocket windows is the same as regular windows. Screen reading isn't the same either.
In terms of GPS on a commercial pocket PC platform, there isn't anything accessible yet. The Sendero Software Development Kit certainly makes this a distinct possibility however. 

Mike

At 10:49 AM 11/21/2007, you wrote:
WM6 is Windows Mobile 6.0 or the OS that's run on many portable devices such as the Sprint Mogul (Titan) or Treo 750. These operating systems are attractive because they interoperate with consumer devices and such because they use the same OS. (No special hacked operating systems for the blind) Also, using a screen reader a blind user can use the exact same device as their sited counterparts. The advantages of this are obvious. Hope that answers your question.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Buckley" <suebuckley25@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:54 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: perspective user and dog guides



What is WM6?
Sue
----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Granados" <gsgranados@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:57 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: perspective user and dog guides
Mike and to add, if you ever decide to design a Pocket PC version, I'll be your first customer.:) (Probably a lot sooner regardless but I'm still pretty excited about the power and interoperability of WM6)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael May" <MikeMay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] perspective user and dog guides



Time to wade in on this topic.
Obviously, there are plenty of dog users who also use GPS. The main thing to be aware of if you are a dog handler is that you don't become so occupied operating your GPS that you aren't paying attention to the dog. I suppose the same thing could happen with a cane but you don't ruin the cane by ignoring it. Either a dog or cane take up one hand so operating the GPS with the other hand and the automatic mode of the GPS device is something to consider.
In terms of size, you must first consider if you can afford the BrailleNote PK or would go with a BrailleNote 32. The PK is less than one pound and its net weight is the same or less than Trekker. The other consideration is whether you want a portable information device that handles all your information needs like a BrailleNote or if you will only need GPS information. If in fact you will use multiple applications, the integrated BrailleNote and GPS is more efficient than carrying multiple devices of another flavor.
Regarding Scott's dog goggles, I have teased for a long time that our next advancement will be to put headphones on the dog so they can hear the GPS directions themselves and we won't have to tell them which way to turn. Never thought about dog goggles. 

Mike

At 09:10 AM 11/14/2007, you wrote:

At less than $2000, the Trekker is still the best for the price.
Because I carry a lot of stuff around, size is an important
consideration for me, as well as price, of course, and the Trekker fits 
nicely into a small front pocket on my briefcase.

Andy


-----Original Message-----
From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Raul A.
Gallegos
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:34 AM
To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Prospective user
Hi. The Voice Sense costs $1895 alone. I cannot remember the exact cost 
of the GPS software, maps, and receiver bundle off the top. It's right
around $1595 I think, but I may be over shooting it. If you contact
orders@xxxxxxxxxxx or call us and speak to someone in orders, they can
tell you for sure. The GPS package will include a GPS receiver, an 8 gb 
CF card with the maps of either the US or Canada pre-installed, a case
for the receiver, and access to download the maps online in case you
ever lose any of your data. An audio tutorial is in the making as well
and we hope to have it available for the release. That part is up to me <smile>. Thanks to Chris G, I have a good idea of how to make a good GPS 
tutorial. <smile>.

shayna Malov wrote:
> Will this new item be cheaper then the Voice Note?  That is
if you > can

> divulge that information!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Shayna
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul A. Gallegos"
> <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:20 PM
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Prospective user
>
>
>> Hi. GW Micro is very close to releasing the GPS program
which runs >> on
>> the Voice Sense. It just so happens that someone very close to me >> is >> working very closely with this project and is in the know. >> <smile>. 
>>
>> Jim Gammon wrote:
>>> Hi Shayna, just my two cents for the voicenote and Holux M-1000
>>> receiver with Sendero GPS 4.03. It's a terrific system even >>> though 
>>> you do have to carry around the voicenote.  The PK is certainly
>>> smaller but then you said you don't use braill too much so that
>>> expense is not worthwhile. Then, there is the Voice Sense which >>> the 
>>> Sendero Product is supposed to run on in the near
future.  The >>> Voice

>>> Sense is I think about the size of the PK but has no
braille >>> display

>>> so you might also check that out as well  Chris and some of the
>>> others more in the know about this may be able to say when >>> Sendero 
>>> gps will work on that product. I have to say though that the
>>> voicenote, while a little bulky, is a great combo with the >>> Sendero 
>>> product. Good luck and best regards, Jim
>> --
>> Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
>> Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
>> WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
>> FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com
>>
>>
>


--
Raul A. Gallegos .. GW Micro Technical Support
Voice: 260-489-3671 .. Fax: 260-489-2608
WEB: http://www.gwmicro.com
FTP: ftp.gwmicro.com



Michael G. May

CEO Sendero Group
Crashing Through by Robert Kurson available at http://www.CrashingThrough.com 

Developers and distributors of the first-ever accessible GPS
Distributing BrailleNote, VoiceNote, Talks, Miniguide and the ID Mate bar code reader 

MikeMay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
http://www.SenderoGroup.com

1-888-757-6810, Fax (530) 757-6830, Mobile (530) 304-0007
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Michael G. May

CEO Sendero Group
Crashing Through by Robert Kurson available at http://www.CrashingThrough.com 

Developers and distributors of the first-ever accessible GPS
Distributing BrailleNote, VoiceNote, Talks, Miniguide and the ID Mate bar code reader 

MikeMay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
http://www.SenderoGroup.com

1-888-757-6810, Fax (530) 757-6830, Mobile (530) 304-0007
Sendero Group, LLC
1118 Maple Lane, Davis, CA 95616-1723, USA

Latitude, 38 33 9.239 North
Longitude, 121 45 40.145 West

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