[gps-talkusers] Re: Situation 8, forcing the BN to avoid a road closure

  • From: vincent <vinnroc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:22:06 -0500

Some places I have heard them referred to as traffic circles
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From: "donald.goosens" <donald.goosens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 1:55 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Situation 8, forcing the BN to avoid a road
closure


> What are roundabouts?
>
> Donald
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Janet Barlow" <jmbarlow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 11:46 AM
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Situation 8, forcing the BN to avoid a road
> closure
>
>
> > Actually though, there's quite a lot of variability in roundabouts and
> > their traffic volume and size, and the difficulty of the crossing.  Some
> > roundabout crossings may be easier than crossing the through street at a
> > two way stop sign location, so I would hesitate at automatically
> > programming around them.
> > However, at this point, roundabouts in the US, at least at two locations
> > I've checked, were not indicated in the database; they were coded
> > as  intersections with no indication that they were roundabouts.
> > Janet
> >
> > At 12:11 PM 12/13/2004, Michael May wrote:
> >>Liam,
> >>
> >>The Round Abouts are actually easier to flag than a random road closure.
> >>The Round Abouts are already categorized in the map database just like
> >>motor ways and residential streets have their own classification. We
> >>therefore could add the Round About as an illegal option like motor ways
> >>for the pedestrian route calculations.
> >>
> >>Flagging road closures is more difficult because we have to link two
> >>databases, the maps and the POIs.
> >>
> >>There are a rapidly growing number of round abouts in the U.S. as well
and
> >>it would be useful to skip them.
> >>
> >>Mike
> >>
> >> >Mike,
> >> >
> >> >The notion of being able to flag a junction as impassable would
> >> >certainly be helpful in pedestrian mode. Its certainly an issue in
some
> >> >UK cities that we have roundabouts, uh junctions with a round thing in
> >> >the middle, which are almost impossible to get around on foot. Being
> >> >able to avoid them entirely would be very useful.  In an ideal world
we
> >> >could flag the junction up in the database so that it was missed out
of
> >> >any pedestrian route.  Sort of a point of disinterest if you like.
Not
> >> >sure how the mapping data is stored. I'm guessing that it is stored as
> >> >nodes and then links of some kind.
> >> >
> >> >- Liam
> >> >
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of vincent
> >> >Sent: 12 December 2004 19:05
> >> >To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Situation 8, forcing the BN to avoid a
road
> >> >closure
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >ok, so I'm happy I've made a contribution. *smile*
> >> >----- Original Message -----
> >> >From: "Michael May" <MikeMay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 1:41 PM
> >> >Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Situation 8, forcing the BN to avoid a
road
> >> >closure
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >          Vince,
> >> > >
> >> > > One can already reroute once you are off course. Just press RV and
> >> > > you
> >> >will
> >> > > be asked if you want to save the old route if you haven't already.
> >> > > Otherwise, it calculates a new route from your current position. It
> >> > > is
> >> >best
> >> > > if you pull over and wait for the new route. It was very nice on
the
> >> > > PK that these new route calculations only took a few seconds.
> >> > >
> >> > > What we can put on the wish list is the ability to flag a road and
> >> > > intersection as impassable. That would be handy.
> >> > >
> >> > > Mike
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > At 04:34 AM 12/12/2004, you wrote:
> >> > > >  also had a good chuckle from your story.  I had my wife read it.
> >> > > >We actually had something like this happen to us recently.  Is
> >> > > >automatic re-routing on the wish list?  The program "Iguidance"
that
> >> > > >my wife uses re-routes after you go off course.
> >> > > >----- Original Message -----
> >> > > >From: "Jeffrey Bohrman" <jbohrman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > > >To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > > >Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 7:28 AM
> >> > > >Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Situation 8, forcing the BN to avoid
a
> >> > > >road closure
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Mike:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Your story is quite helpful!  I know driving with our wives can
> >> > > > > be
> >> >
> >> > > > > challenging at times especially in unfamiliar areas.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Although I've not quite started to use my GPS - I am getting
> >> > > > > there
> >> >
> >> > > > > -
> >> >your
> >> > > > > story is one good suggestion if I can't simply find an
> >> > > > > alternative
> >> >route
> >> > > > > from where one is standing to the destination.  Actually, I've
> >> >navigated
> >> > > >my
> >> > > > > wife to a certain point that I'd be familiar with and then go
> >> > > > > from
> >> >there.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Jeff
> >> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > > From: "Michael May" <MikeMay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > > > > To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 1:14 AM
> >> > > > > Subject: [gps-talkusers] Situation 8, forcing the BN to avoid a
> >> > > > > road
> >> > > >closure
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > Situation 8
> >> > > > > > We are driving to a Society for the Blind Christmas function
at
> >> > > > > > the Sacramento Yacht Club. It is very foggy and there is lots
> >> > > > > > of
> >> >traffic. I
> >> > > >am
> >> > > > > > in charge of directions with my BrailleNote GPS route guiding
> >> > > > > > us
> >> >along.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > The tension in the car is palpable as we creep across a
bridge
> >> > > > > > over
> >> >the
> >> > > > > > Sacramento River. The BN reports 2.1 miles to our
destination.
> >> > > > > > I
> >> >can't
> >> > > > > wait
> >> > > > > > for a warm fire and glass of wine.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > We arrive at an intersection where the BN instructs us to
> >> > > > > > continue
> >> > > > > straight
> >> > > > > > but flashing lights and police cars across the road force us
to
> >> > > > > > turn
> >> > > > > right.
> >> > > > > > It turns out that a gas main ruptured and the route we needed
> >> > > > > > was completely blocked.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Question 8
> >> > > > > > What now? We are in a completely unfamiliar area, it is
> >> > > > > > residential
> >> >and
> >> > > > > > there is nobody to ask directions of. We are already very
late.
> >> > > > > > How
> >> >do I
> >> > > > > > get us to the event  and keep my hide intact at the same
time?
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Answer8
> >> > > > > > My wife wanted me to call the Yacht Club, which I of course
> >> > > > > > did.
> >> >
> >> > > > > > I
> >> >told
> >> > > > > the
> >> > > > > > bar tender where we were and she gave me very complicated
> >> > > > > > directions
> >> >for
> >> > > > > > two possible alternate routes and at the same time, my wife
is
> >> >talking
> >> > > >to
> >> > > > > > me. I hang up, more confused than ever.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > I told her to pull over and take a deep breath while I find
us
> >> > > > > > a
> >> >route.
> >> > > >I
> >> > > > > > went into Explore mode and reversed the route so I can
> >> > > > > > understand
> >> >the
> >> > > > > route
> >> > > > > > coming from the destination toward me. This gave me a chance
to
> >> > > > > > see
> >> >each
> >> > > > > of
> >> > > > > > the cross streets that might provide an alternate access and
> >> > > > > > which
> >> >might
> >> > > > > > clarify what the bar tender told me.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > I found another road that intersected Highway 80 and set it
as
> >> > > > > > my destination. I then calculated a route from where we were
to
> >> > > > > > this
> >> > > >interim
> >> > > > > > destination. While we were driving there, I then calculated a
> >> > > > > > second
> >> > > >route
> >> > > > > > from the freeway intersection to the Yacht Club. In other
> >> > > > > > words,
> >> >
> >> > > > > > I
> >> > > >picked
> >> > > > > > an interim point that created a triangle around the road
> >> > > > > > closure.
> >> >This
> >> > > > > > means of using two routes to complete an entire trip is a
good
> >> >strategy
> >> > > > > for
> >> > > > > > forcing the BN to route you the way you want to go rather
than
> >> > > > > > the
> >> >way
> >> > > >it
> >> > > > > > tells you to go.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > My wife was about ready to tell me where to go as well.  It
> >> > > > > > turns
> >> >out
> >> > > >that
> >> > > > > > everyone was delayed by the road closure so relatively
> >> > > > > > speaking,
> >> >
> >> > > > > > we
> >> > > > > weren't
> >> > > > > > late. It was wonderful to step out of the car and fog into
the
> >> >embrace
> >> > > >of
> >> > > > > > the holiday cheer, great folks and good food. Thank goodness
> >> > > > > > the
> >> >return
> >> > > > > > trip home was uneventful. I am also grateful for the fact
that
> >> > > > > > I
> >> >could
> >> > > >be
> >> > > > > > the navigator. I don't know quite what we would have done if
I
> >> >didn't
> >> > > >have
> >> > > > > > my GPS and ingenuity.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >
> >
> > Janet M. Barlow, COMS
> > Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist
> > jmbarlow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > 770-317-0611
> > Atlanta, GA
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