Some places I have heard them referred to as traffic circles ----- Original Message ----- From: "donald.goosens" <donald.goosens@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 1:55 PM Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Situation 8, forcing the BN to avoid a road closure > What are roundabouts? > > Donald > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Barlow" <jmbarlow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 11:46 AM > Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Situation 8, forcing the BN to avoid a road > closure > > > > Actually though, there's quite a lot of variability in roundabouts and > > their traffic volume and size, and the difficulty of the crossing. Some > > roundabout crossings may be easier than crossing the through street at a > > two way stop sign location, so I would hesitate at automatically > > programming around them. > > However, at this point, roundabouts in the US, at least at two locations > > I've checked, were not indicated in the database; they were coded > > as intersections with no indication that they were roundabouts. > > Janet > > > > At 12:11 PM 12/13/2004, Michael May wrote: > >>Liam, > >> > >>The Round Abouts are actually easier to flag than a random road closure. > >>The Round Abouts are already categorized in the map database just like > >>motor ways and residential streets have their own classification. We > >>therefore could add the Round About as an illegal option like motor ways > >>for the pedestrian route calculations. > >> > >>Flagging road closures is more difficult because we have to link two > >>databases, the maps and the POIs. > >> > >>There are a rapidly growing number of round abouts in the U.S. as well and > >>it would be useful to skip them. > >> > >>Mike > >> > >> >Mike, > >> > > >> >The notion of being able to flag a junction as impassable would > >> >certainly be helpful in pedestrian mode. Its certainly an issue in some > >> >UK cities that we have roundabouts, uh junctions with a round thing in > >> >the middle, which are almost impossible to get around on foot. Being > >> >able to avoid them entirely would be very useful. In an ideal world we > >> >could flag the junction up in the database so that it was missed out of > >> >any pedestrian route. Sort of a point of disinterest if you like. Not > >> >sure how the mapping data is stored. I'm guessing that it is stored as > >> >nodes and then links of some kind. > >> > > >> >- Liam > >> > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> >[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of vincent > >> >Sent: 12 December 2004 19:05 > >> >To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > >> >Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Situation 8, forcing the BN to avoid a road > >> >closure > >> > > >> > > >> >ok, so I'm happy I've made a contribution. *smile* > >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> >From: "Michael May" <MikeMay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> >Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 1:41 PM > >> >Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Situation 8, forcing the BN to avoid a road > >> >closure > >> > > >> > > >> > > Vince, > >> > > > >> > > One can already reroute once you are off course. Just press RV and > >> > > you > >> >will > >> > > be asked if you want to save the old route if you haven't already. > >> > > Otherwise, it calculates a new route from your current position. It > >> > > is > >> >best > >> > > if you pull over and wait for the new route. It was very nice on the > >> > > PK that these new route calculations only took a few seconds. > >> > > > >> > > What we can put on the wish list is the ability to flag a road and > >> > > intersection as impassable. That would be handy. > >> > > > >> > > Mike > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > At 04:34 AM 12/12/2004, you wrote: > >> > > > also had a good chuckle from your story. I had my wife read it. > >> > > >We actually had something like this happen to us recently. Is > >> > > >automatic re-routing on the wish list? The program "Iguidance" that > >> > > >my wife uses re-routes after you go off course. > >> > > >----- Original Message ----- > >> > > >From: "Jeffrey Bohrman" <jbohrman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > > >To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > > >Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 7:28 AM > >> > > >Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Situation 8, forcing the BN to avoid a > >> > > >road closure > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Mike: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Your story is quite helpful! I know driving with our wives can > >> > > > > be > >> > > >> > > > > challenging at times especially in unfamiliar areas. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Although I've not quite started to use my GPS - I am getting > >> > > > > there > >> > > >> > > > > - > >> >your > >> > > > > story is one good suggestion if I can't simply find an > >> > > > > alternative > >> >route > >> > > > > from where one is standing to the destination. Actually, I've > >> >navigated > >> > > >my > >> > > > > wife to a certain point that I'd be familiar with and then go > >> > > > > from > >> >there. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Jeff > >> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > > > > From: "Michael May" <MikeMay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > > > > To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >> > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 1:14 AM > >> > > > > Subject: [gps-talkusers] Situation 8, forcing the BN to avoid a > >> > > > > road > >> > > >closure > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Situation 8 > >> > > > > > We are driving to a Society for the Blind Christmas function at > >> > > > > > the Sacramento Yacht Club. It is very foggy and there is lots > >> > > > > > of > >> >traffic. I > >> > > >am > >> > > > > > in charge of directions with my BrailleNote GPS route guiding > >> > > > > > us > >> >along. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > The tension in the car is palpable as we creep across a bridge > >> > > > > > over > >> >the > >> > > > > > Sacramento River. The BN reports 2.1 miles to our destination. > >> > > > > > I > >> >can't > >> > > > > wait > >> > > > > > for a warm fire and glass of wine. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > We arrive at an intersection where the BN instructs us to > >> > > > > > continue > >> > > > > straight > >> > > > > > but flashing lights and police cars across the road force us to > >> > > > > > turn > >> > > > > right. > >> > > > > > It turns out that a gas main ruptured and the route we needed > >> > > > > > was completely blocked. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Question 8 > >> > > > > > What now? We are in a completely unfamiliar area, it is > >> > > > > > residential > >> >and > >> > > > > > there is nobody to ask directions of. We are already very late. > >> > > > > > How > >> >do I > >> > > > > > get us to the event and keep my hide intact at the same time? > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Answer8 > >> > > > > > My wife wanted me to call the Yacht Club, which I of course > >> > > > > > did. > >> > > >> > > > > > I > >> >told > >> > > > > the > >> > > > > > bar tender where we were and she gave me very complicated > >> > > > > > directions > >> >for > >> > > > > > two possible alternate routes and at the same time, my wife is > >> >talking > >> > > >to > >> > > > > > me. I hang up, more confused than ever. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I told her to pull over and take a deep breath while I find us > >> > > > > > a > >> >route. > >> > > >I > >> > > > > > went into Explore mode and reversed the route so I can > >> > > > > > understand > >> >the > >> > > > > route > >> > > > > > coming from the destination toward me. This gave me a chance to > >> > > > > > see > >> >each > >> > > > > of > >> > > > > > the cross streets that might provide an alternate access and > >> > > > > > which > >> >might > >> > > > > > clarify what the bar tender told me. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I found another road that intersected Highway 80 and set it as > >> > > > > > my destination. I then calculated a route from where we were to > >> > > > > > this > >> > > >interim > >> > > > > > destination. While we were driving there, I then calculated a > >> > > > > > second > >> > > >route > >> > > > > > from the freeway intersection to the Yacht Club. In other > >> > > > > > words, > >> > > >> > > > > > I > >> > > >picked > >> > > > > > an interim point that created a triangle around the road > >> > > > > > closure. > >> >This > >> > > > > > means of using two routes to complete an entire trip is a good > >> >strategy > >> > > > > for > >> > > > > > forcing the BN to route you the way you want to go rather than > >> > > > > > the > >> >way > >> > > >it > >> > > > > > tells you to go. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > My wife was about ready to tell me where to go as well. It > >> > > > > > turns > >> >out > >> > > >that > >> > > > > > everyone was delayed by the road closure so relatively > >> > > > > > speaking, > >> > > >> > > > > > we > >> > > > > weren't > >> > > > > > late. It was wonderful to step out of the car and fog into the > >> >embrace > >> > > >of > >> > > > > > the holiday cheer, great folks and good food. Thank goodness > >> > > > > > the > >> >return > >> > > > > > trip home was uneventful. I am also grateful for the fact that > >> > > > > > I > >> >could > >> > > >be > >> > > > > > the navigator. I don't know quite what we would have done if I > >> >didn't > >> > > >have > >> > > > > > my GPS and ingenuity. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > Janet M. Barlow, COMS > > Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist > > jmbarlow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > 770-317-0611 > > Atlanta, GA > > ------------------- > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > > taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or > > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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