[gps-talkusers] Re: Maps Sendero supports
- From: "Steve" <drum67-72@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:51:22 -0500
Charles,
I think you folks at Sendero might have more impact than all of us addressing
TeleAtlas separately. You may recall, I had similar issues around the Lansing,
Michigan area where they list some subdivision names as if they were political
entities which they are not. It makes a city search exasperatingly difficult
because one never knows where a street is going to be located if it is outside
the city proper. Sometimes, it will properly locate the street in the
township,
which could be expected (although the postal service will use the city as an
acceptable address); other times, it locates that street in some jplace it has
come up with that is not a politically recognized entity, in which case, the
process gets confusing and frustrating.
I know this happens all over the contry based on other inquiries on this list
i.e. Cool, California; that place somebody was looking for outside of
Philadelphia, etc. I know that even collectively, we aren't the biggest voice
in Teleatlas's world, but it would sure help if they could implement a better
city search feature. Failing that, even the ability to input via zip code
would
be a big plus since it would resolve those issues where one knows where the
street is, but the area name that TeleAtlas assigns it is unknowable until you
actually stumble upon the street.
Steve
Lansing, Mi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 3:28 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Maps Sendero supports
Hello Charles. Thank you for this informative message. In beta testing
GW Sense Navigation we have noticed several discrepancies which we
realize are due to map data. The funny thing is that in some areas, the
information is helpful, rather than not. I'll give an example.
My mother's house is in Denver CO yet she is reported to be in Welby CO.
Welby CO is not even a city for starters, I would have guessed Commerce
City or Thornton, but not Welby. So, I had to place my virtual position
to a location near, virtual explore to her address and check the city
and that is how I found out. Another problem is in Centennial CO. The
map reports this as South Glenn area. South Glenn is not a city, nor has
it ever been AFAIK. Here is where it's helped now. In Indianapolis
Indiana there are some areas which are still part of the city, but might
be part of a subareas. The map information here says both the subareas
as well as the city in the same field. So, if I search for places,
addresses, ETC in Indianapolis, I can usually find them and not have to
worry about the area or what it thinks the city is.
I've made reports to tel atlas of course so I do hope this can be
addressed, no pun intended.
Charles LaPierre wrote:
> Hello currently Sendero only has maps from TeleAtlas for most countries
> except Australia where we get the maps from Humanware and NavTec as
> TeleAtlas doesn't have maps yet for that country.
>
> Yes it would be cost prohibitive to offer both TeleAtlas and NavTec maps
> since there is not only a per map royalty fee that Sendero has to pay
> but also an annual fee which is quite expensive just to have the right
> to use their maps.
>
> TeleAtlas is moving from separate map formats between their UK map
> database and their North American map database, and the GPS 4.0, 2007.1
> maps you all currently have is their first offering of this new merged
> data format. It had some problems which they are correcting, and should
> be addressed with their 2008 maps next year. We have brought to their
> attention a number of discrepancies and you may also want to do the same
> for your local maps if they are in error.
>
> I am sure the data will get better, we just need to be patient. I can
> only imagine larger companies which use the TeleAtlas maps are also
> crying bloody murder over the apparent step backwards in data accuracy,
> but TeleAtlas has assured us they are working to correct the issues and
> most of the issues we have brought to their attention have already been
> addressed.
>
> Thank you
> Charles.
>
>
> At 11:06 AM 12/2/2007, you wrote:
>> Hello Charles.
>> Am I right to assume that it would be cost-prohibitive for Sendero to
>> offer Navtec as a map choice for the U.S.? Here in Kalamazoo, MI, it
>> seems that the Teleatlas maps are quite a bit off (we're talking
>> several blocks) in several locations, and this is one of the main
>> reasons that I haven't been able to justify purchasing Sendero GPS
>> yet, unfortunately.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> J.J.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles LaPierre"
>> <charles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 10:56 AM
>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Maps Sendero supports
>>
>>
>>> Hello Yusuf,
>>>
>>> TeleAtlas does not yet support these countries. Even if they did
>>> then we would have to get a filter to convert their proprietary GDF
>>> map format into deCartas Richmap format. Those filters will only be
>>> created 1. once a the map exists and 2. once commercial demand for
>>> those countries merit deCarta spending the 6+ months development time
>>> to create the filter, and then Sendero is last on the list to then
>>> convert the deCarta's Maps into our own.
>>>
>>> So as you can see this is a very long and drawn out process driven by
>>> commercial demand, we are a drop in the bucket so until it becomes
>>> popular outside the blindness market will we see these maps for our
>>> market.
>>>
>>> As far as sharing maps between devices this is not possible or legal.
>>> Maps are purchased for a specific device as outlined in the licensing
>>> agreement between the map companies (ie. teleAtlas or Navtec) and the
>>> third party venders.
>>>
>>> Charles.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 01:37 AM 12/2/2007, you wrote:
>>>> Charles, I don't know if this would be feasible but... Would it be
>>>> possible to design some software that would be able to import maps
>>>> to any GPS device no matter which product the maps were originally
>>>> designed?
>>>>
>>>> Looking at your list of supported countries I noticed that there
>>>> weren't any maps for large countries like India, South Africa, China
>>>> or Turkey, I'm presuming this is because the maps Sendero use aren't
>>>> available for those places. But, does that mean that there aren't
>>>> any maps made by anyone for those places?
>>>>
>>>> So I'm wondering if it would be possible to write software that
>>>> would enable Sindero to import particular maps from different
>>>> companies for specific users.
>>>>
>>>> Of course the benefit of this would be that what Sindero could do
>>>> everybody else could do as well. I'm thinking of the Trekker here as
>>>> thats the product I use.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe the expense of purchasing a licence to reproduce 1 map would
>>>> be prohibitive and I guess it would be quite challenging to do the
>>>> conversions from 1 map type to another as I'm sure all the map
>>>> providers use different ways of storing their information.
>>>> Yusuf
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles LaPierre"
>>>> <charles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 4:19 AM
>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Maps Sendero supports
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Nothing yet for Mexico either.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a list of all the countries we currently support.
>>>>>
>>>>> USA
>>>>> Canada
>>>>> UK / Ireland
>>>>> Australia
>>>>> Germany
>>>>> France
>>>>> Belgium
>>>>> Switzerland
>>>>> Netherlands
>>>>> Sweden
>>>>> Denmark
>>>>> Spain
>>>>> Austria
>>>>> Italy
>>>>> Poland
>>>>> Norway
>>>>> Singapore / Malaysia / Hong Kong
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you
>>>>> Charles
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At 07:12 PM 12/1/2007, you wrote:
>>>>>> What about Mexico?
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles LaPierre"
>>>>>> <charles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 7:24 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: updated User POIs
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry currently there are no maps for Israel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Charles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At 05:04 PM 12/1/2007, you wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do maps exist for Israel?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> shayna
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael May"
>>>>>>>> <MikeMay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> To: "GPS-talkusers-freelists.org" <GPS-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 11:17 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] updated User POIs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We have uploaded the latest User POI files. Go to
>>>>>>>>> http://www.MySendero.com for instructions and the free download.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The 400extras zip file includes Asia and Africa cities. I also
>>>>>>>>> moved the New Zealand file into that zip file.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The 400user zip has some new US and Canada POIs including over
>>>>>>>>> 10,000 user generated points in the US alone. There are some
>>>>>>>>> quarter million including transit stops in some cities and
>>>>>>>>> audio ATM locations from 4 banks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michael G. May
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> CEO Sendero Group
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Developers and distributors of the Cadillac of accessible GPS
>>>>>>>>> products as well as distributing BrailleNote, VoiceNote, Victor
>>>>>>>>> Stream, Talks, Miniguide and the ID Mate
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Crashing Through by Robert Kurson available at
>>>>>>>>> http://www.CrashingThrough.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> MikeMay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> http://www.SenderoGroup.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1-888-757-6810, Fax (530) 757-6830, Mobile (530) 304-0007
>>>>>>>>> Sendero Group, LLC
>>>>>>>>> 1118 Maple Lane, Davis, CA 95616-1723, USA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Charles M. La Pierre CTO
>>>>>>> Sendero Group, LLC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lat. 37 15' 25" N Lon: 121 53' 04" W
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>> Charles M. La Pierre CTO
>>>>> Sendero Group, LLC
>>>>>
>>>>> Lat. 37 15' 25" N Lon: 121 53' 04" W
>>>
>>> Charles M. La Pierre CTO
>>> Sendero Group, LLC
>>>
>>> Lat. 37 15' 25" N Lon: 121 53' 04" W
>>>
>>
>
> Charles M. La Pierre CTO
> Sendero Group, LLC
>
> Lat. 37 15' 25" N Lon: 121 53' 04" W
>
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