[gps-talkusers] Re: MORE THOUGHTS ON ROUNDABOUTS
- From: Peter Bosher <peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:39:18 +0000
Hi Charles, and all,
I'll make this my last message on the subject for now, as I agree with Carol
that we might be doing this to death, and I don't want to alienate anybody,
especially not the developer (smile), but there are just two points I'd like to
make in response to other messages.
Firstly, it's true that it takes some effort to understand roundabouts in the
first place, and that they are quite hard to deal with for a pedestrian. Once
you do understand them though, the exit method works perfectly well for
pedestrians as well as drivers, and I believe this would take some of the
complexity out of the development. For example, as Steve points out, even on
a huge roundabout, if you know that there are seven exits, and that you are
counting clockwise from where you are, then if you are told to take the seventh
exit, you know that you can simply cross to the right and turn right. If it's
the third exit, then you must cross two roads to your left and take the next
one, and so-on.
Secondly, I was very surprised indeed that anybody should question the need for
support for car journeys. I thought that this had already been well
established for a whole range of situations - my own are helping my wife or
friends navigate, guiding cab-drivers who don't know their way, and
understanding surroundings as a passenger. At the moment, this is broken for
us in the UK and Australia.
Finally, I have upgraded to version 4.2, and love the new features. So I
never leave home without Sendero, but I still have to take a second system
with Wayfinder for car-journeys. I am hoping that in a year or so, Sendero
will be all I need. I've already said that I think you're doing an absolutely
terrific job Charles. I understand the jjuggling, the complexity, and I shan't
say another word on the subject before Christmas 2008.
From a still very appreciative user, have a great Christmas 2007.
Peter
At 01:23 PM 12/21/07, you wrote:
>Thanks Carol for the vote of confidence, and thank you Seven for the
>additional information about subways and footbridges, I will keep my eye on
>the data TeleAtlas gives me in the future to see if they have addressed any of
>these issues.
>Charles.
>
>At 03:44 AM 12/21/2007, you wrote:
>>Steve,
>>
>>Thanks for this one. It does help us to realistee that, as Charles rightly
>>states, he has a big project on in order to make roundabouts work best both
>>for the motorist and the pedestrian.
>>
>>--
>>Carol
>><mailto:carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>carol.pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:steven.bingham1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>Steven Bingham
>>To: <mailto:gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 10:40 AM
>>Subject: [gps-talkusers] MORE THOUGHTS ON ROUNDABOUTS
>>
>>Hi all
>>
>>Yes, it is important that a VI navigator can give their driver proper
>>instructions for exiting a roundabout but the real problems that roundabout
>>present are for walkers. When walking you need to know which exit to take but
>>more importantly you need to know the quickest and easiest way of getting to
>>it. To do this you need information about where road crossings are, are there
>>subways or footbridges that a pedestrian can take.
>>
>>For example at most, but not all, British roundabouts there is provision for
>>pedestrian to cross the road at each entry and exit. so if you are
>>approaching a roundabout and know that you need to take the third exit the
>>quickest way of reaching that exit would normally be to turn right and cross
>>the road you have been walking along or simply turn right depending upon
>>which side of the road you are on. But if there are subways provided then it
>>would quite often be necessary to cross to the middle of the roundabout,
>>choose your exit and cross to the appropriate side of the correct exit. The
>>problem is that none of this pedestrian information is usually available on
>>the maps.
>>
>>Steve
>
>Charles M. La Pierre CTO
>Sendero Group, LLC
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