[gps-talkusers] Re: A really interesting observation:

Hello Scott,

I am asking $450 American.  You would get the receiver, the e-pack, the
Canada and America maps and all other sindero disks.  Also I don't know how
to do it, but I have seen messages about people running it in XP.  Also you
would get a keypad and amplified speaker.  The key pad is a USB one, and the
Magellan receiver is a cereal port type.  I have and would send the USB to
Cereal conversion software and cable.  The only thing that you would need is
the computer.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott E Ford" <w8sef@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 2:51 PM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: A really interesting observation:


> Gerry,
>          How much are you asking for the lot.  I am running Win XP.  I
hear
> that this could be a problem.  Thanks
> Scott
> At 09:12 PM 6/7/2004 -0600, you wrote:
> >Hello Scott,
> >
> >I have the GPS talk #1.85 with US and Canada maps and a Magellan receiver
> >for sale.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Scott E Ford" <w8sef@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 6:59 PM
> >Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: A really interesting observation:
> >
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >          I am new to the list.  I am intrested in getting into
pedestrean
> > > GPS.  I would like to use a laptop to start with.  I was looking at
the
> > > options and found that they are all for the PDA systems.  I could not
find
> > > one that uses a laptop.  I would be very intrested in what you are
> >building
> > > Chip.
> > > Scott E Ford
> > >
> > > At 05:04 PM 6/7/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> > > >Yes, it's getting more and more common for service folks to have a
> > > >laptop with gps receiver.  They can have very high quality maps on
cd,
> > > >and they often have some sort of wireless link back to the home
office
> > > >so they receive job instructions as well as automatic routing on the
> > > >laptop, and are able to communicate current location and status back
to
> > > >the home office.
> > > >
> > > >One of my "wouldn't it be cool" ideas for this project of mine (which
I
> > > >call TIPS for Travel Information Position System) would be for you to
> > > >have a wireless link, and a defined group of friends, so that you all
> > > >could know where each other were at any time.  It's not at the top of
> > > >the list, but maybe someday ...
> > > >
> > > >Another idea of mine is not just to allow the defining of locations
of
> > > >points of interest, but categories, and free-form text descriptions
(so
> > > >that you could type a note to yourself for instance that says to get
to
> > > >sportswear, go up the eskilator and turn left).  And of course, to
allow
> > > >some web-based system for all users of this system to upload their
files
> > > >of points of interest to create an ever-growing database that all can
> > > >download.
> > > >
> > > >Controlling it while wearing it in a backpack is my biggest worry at
the
> > > >moment.  I have heard that the Sendaro product used an external
keypad,
> > > >but unless I can find one with a belt clip or something I don't like
the
> > > >idea of tying up your hands (which are often busy), so I think I'm
going
> > > >to look into the voice command option first.
> > > >
> > > >Oh well, got to get the basic one out there so I can hopefully get
some
> > > >bright ideas from others interested in this approach as well.
> > > >
> > > >Chip
> > > >
> > > >=20
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
> > > > > [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mary=20
> > > > > Ellen Earls
> > > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 6:09 PM
> > > > > To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: A really interesting observation:
> > > > >=20
> > > > > I have an ibm think pad T. series which we won't get into but=20
> > > > > I am fascinated by this because the guy who came to put in a=20
> > > > > new hard drive on this pc got here because of gps on his=20
> > > > > laptop and an Earthmate receiver.
> > > > > .
> > > > > I had one of the original Atlas Gps-talks on a laptop and=20
> > > > > probably would still have ithad it not for something=20
> > > > > happening to the laptop computer itself. I had loads of=20
> > > > > trouble with the thing and we were using the Magellan 310 on=20
> > > > > it. I wonder what using an earthmate on it might have been=20
> > > > > like. I do recall being told I was in a different city than I=20
> > > > > actually was by it.
> > > > > There was one section or road where I got absolutely no=20
> > > > > signal and the program just quit and it was one of the little=20
> > > > > lanes which opened off the streets in our village. Now, of=20
> > > > > course, I go back there with the bn and earthmate and=20
> > > > > sometimes the trekker and know where I am just fine with very=20
> > > > > little loss of any kind of signal.
> > > > > Interesting concept.
> > > > > By the way, you were the one who told me about the laptops=20
> > > > > with bays in them where you could remove components and=20
> > > > > replace them with different ones.
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > Mary Ellen Earls
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:03 AM
> > > > > Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: A really interesting observation:
> > > > >=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > > > Mary Ellen,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yah, it's meant specifically for the blind who have laptops=20
> > > > > rather than
> > > > > > notetakers or pdas.  The idea is that I put the software I write
out
> > > > > > there for free, but you (the end user) still need to buy a
mapping
> > > > > > program with data and a gps receiver to make it all work. =20
> > > > > Then you run
> > > > > > it on your laptop (which must have a screen reader and=20
> > > > > windows 2000 or
> > > > > > xp) much like you do on the BN.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The mapping software I'm currently using is MapPoint from MS,
and it
> > > > > > sells for about $300 retail, a little less if you find the right
> > > > > > discounter.  The earthmate which can be used with laptops (the
USB
> > > > > > version without batteries and a special serial cable needed=20
> > > > > by the BN)
> > > > > > sells for around $100, so if you already own a laptop you'd=20
> > > > > only be out
> > > > > > about $400.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lot's of planned limitations to this approach that I can't do
much
> > > > > > about.  You'll probably have to wear a backpack to carry=20
> > > > > the laptop, and
> > > > > > use an ear-plug or external speaker to hear the verbal=20
> > > > > reports.  And it
> > > > > > will be verbal only, no plans for any braille support.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm trying to design it so that you configure it once at=20
> > > > > startup as to
> > > > > > where you're going and what you want to hear along the way, then
it
> > > > > > shouldn't need much in the way of input from you after=20
> > > > > that.  My only
> > > > > > thought for providing input if you're wearing a backpack is=20
> > > > > a headset
> > > > > > and voice control, which I will explore someday, but=20
> > > > > certainly not on
> > > > > > the first release.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Laptops tend to have relatively short battery life, so=20
> > > > > you'll have to
> > > > > > make efforts to conserve the batteries, buy and carry extra, or
make
> > > > > > some other arrangements if you want to use it over a full day of
> > > > > > traveling.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm thinking that something like the IBM thinkpad X series=20
> > > > > (which only
> > > > > > weighs 2.7 pounds, and I think gets 8 hours from a battery=20
> > > > > charge) would
> > > > > > be the perfect laptop for this experiment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's the other thing, this is an experiment, done in my=20
> > > > > spare time, so
> > > > > > there wouldn't mbe much in the way of support.  This is=20
> > > > > definitely for
> > > > > > your more adventurous types, or for those who already have=20
> > > > > a laptop, or
> > > > > > for those who feel a laptop is more useful to them than a
> > > > > > special-purpose notetaker or pda.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've written a prototype in a language that's interpreted, and
it's
> > > > > > caused me to run up against some problems that I think can only
be
> > > > > > solved by starting over in a different language, so I'll be=20
> > > > > rewriting in
> > > > > > vb.net.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Would have started sooner, but, bad news at work about 9=20
> > > > > months ago; we
> > > > > > got hit with a mandate that we (the I.T. department) will work a
lot
> > > > > > harder to get projects out a lot sooner or we'll be=20
> > > > > outsourced.  Doesn't
> > > > > > make me want to do much with my pc when I'm finally at home. :(
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I do get it rewritten in vb.net, I've had some offers of help
for
> > > > > > support and future development from folks like Debee Norling,
and so
> > > > > > I'll probably take a reasonably working version and turn it=20
> > > > > into an open
> > > > > > source project so anyone who wants can  tinker with it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Not having done this before, I suspect that's a lot easier=20
> > > > > to do after
> > > > > > we've got something on the table to talk about than from=20
> > > > > the beginning.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'd be interested to hear any opinions good or bad as to=20
> > > > > advantages or
> > > > > > problems with the idea so far.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chip
> > > > > >
> > > > > > =3D20
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D20
> > > > > > > [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Mary=3D20
> > > > > > > Ellen Earls
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 2:39 PM
> > > > > > > To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: A really interesting observation:
> > > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > > > Chip this is exactly the kind of road I live on.
> > > > > > > We call it Wooster Pike the state route is S. R. 50 and
the=3D20
> > > > > > > bus rout is r.
> > > > > > > 128 and then you go about 3 miles from here and it changes
to=3D20
> > > > > > > wooster road and another 2 miles from that it changes to=3D20
> > > > > > > Columbia Parkway and after you run through downtown=3D20
> > > > > > > Cincinnati and get to third street the route changes to=20
> > > > > Old rout 50.
> > > > > > > So in your program is this going to be something for the=3D20
> > > > > > > blind and visually impaired and what sort of device will it go
on?
> > > > > > > Mary Ellen Earls who gets curiouser and curioser by the hour.
> > > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Chip Orange" <Corange@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 7:40 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: A really interesting observation:
> > > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > > >=3D20
> > > > > > > > Mary Ellen,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The term you're looking for is "reverse geocoding" and is
a=3D20
> > > > > > > function of
> > > > > > > > the software and maps from Sendaro, not the receiver.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To complicate the issue, most communities have stretches
of=3D20
> > > > > > > roads that
> > > > > > > > are often known by more than one name (I travel one to
work=3D20
> > > > > > > that has 3
> > > > > > > > names associated with it (or is it 4)), and so the one
the=3D20
> > > > > > > map reports
> > > > > > > > to you may not be the one that the locals use to refer to
it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In my gps navigation program I'm writing my maps give=3D20
> > > > > > > several names to
> > > > > > > > choose from for a road/address (in my example it's
reported=3D20
> > > > > > > as U.S. 319,
> > > > > > > > Capitol Circle S.E., and if I remember right (S.R. 263=3D20
> > > > > > > (S.R. for state
> > > > > > > > road)), and it changes as you drive along.  I've written
my=3D20
> > > > > > > program to
> > > > > > > > find street names which are comprised of numbers and
known=3D20
> > > > > > > abbreviations
> > > > > > > > (such as U.S. or S.R. or many others), which a map may=3D20
> > > > > > > list, but which
> > > > > > > > the locals don't usually use, and I move these names
down=3D20
> > > > > > > to the bottom
> > > > > > > > of my preferred name list for a road so that when I
report=3D20
> > > > > > > an address I
> > > > > > > > try to use the street name that the locals use (if the
map=3D20
> > > > > > > data has it).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Aside from this confusing multiple name issue, your map=20
> > > > > data may not
> > > > > > > > have the street your on (especially if it's new or very=3D20
> > > > > > > small), so the
> > > > > > > > software from Sendaro may cast about for the nearest
street=3D20
> > > > > > > that it can
> > > > > > > > find.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hth,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Chip
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > =3D3D20
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=3D3D20
> > > > > > > > > [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf=20
> > > > > Of Mary=3D3D20
> > > > > > > > > Ellen Earls
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 1:22 PM
> > > > > > > > > To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [gps-talkusers] A really interesting observation:
> > > > > > > > >=3D3D20
> > > > > > > > > Hi guys!
> > > > > > > > > I have just completed one of my daily walks and we=20
> > > > > live in a=3D3D20
> > > > > > > > > small village and near the center of it is the inn.=20
> > > > > This is a=3D3D20
> > > > > > > > > lovely old building, very dignified and as I was=20
> > > > > passing my=3D3D20
> > > > > > > > > earthmate told me that I had poor 1 satellite.
> > > > > > > > > I thought that was extremely interesting and amazing =
> > > >that=3D3D20
> > > > > > > > > something that small would have the tenacity to hang in
there.
> > > > > > > > > Now I am wondering with the new version coming out, =
> > > >will=3D3D20
> > > > > > > > > there be a way to more accurately for lack of a=20
> > > > > better way to=3D3D20
> > > > > > > > > put it, way to tell you at which address you are? As=20
> > > > > of now,=3D3D20
> > > > > > > > > if I were standing in front of my house, the bn gps =
> > > >says=3D3D20
> > > > > > > > > "near 6811 Wooster Pike, and the trekker is worse=20
> > > > > than that,=3D3D20
> > > > > > > > > it says "near 6801 Wooster Pike."
> > > > > > > > > Anyway to my knowledge there is no 6801 Wooster pike.
> > > > > > > > > Happy traveling, all!
> > > > > > > > > Mary Ellen Earls
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