[geocentrism] Re: veracity
- From: Jack Lewis <jack.lewis@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:04:44 +0000
Philip,The reason I haven't bothered to voice any 'mutterings' is because it is pointless. I've been there and done that with you and others and any further discussion or argument is fruitless. What I can say is that what I have read and observed on this forum, over the last 9 years or so has greatly strengthened my Christian faith and for that I am truly grateful.
Regards Jack philip madsen wrote:
Veracity, mysticism, Scripture, geocentrism, and Aspden in one hit.... "Easter thoughts" Neville. I did not hesitate, but I am sure a few tender and sensitive Catholic souls may have been shocked.. Not a murmer back so far. I heard Jack muttering. But that is the point Neville.. Scripture cannot validate or authorise itself. Jesus did not preach scripture, or ever ask for any book to be written, lest he asked for it privately in addition to His insistence on the tradition of oral preaching. Which I am sure he did. The book did not fall from Heaven in a blaze of light, but was compiled together by a bunch of men argueing for many months if not years about what was inspired and what was not. We know that there are some few inspired writings that are not included. Just who has the authority to put them in there today? Jimmy Swaggert? "I find it hard to accept that what is still a massive structure needs to rotate about the World." Well yes, but hardly impossible given the theoretical possibilities, like a solid aether.. After all the High Priests of the temple preach time dilation and linear contraction, er or is it molecular contraction.. I was fascinated by what Aspden wrote in 2006, which I only just read an hour ago. "The reason, of course, is that scientists do not recognize the vacuum as a source of energy. They tell us that the vacuum is, in simple words, a mere 'nothing', but yet they teach by reference to textbooks which declare that the vacuum has a magnetic permeability expressed as µ_o of value 410^-7 henries per metre and a permittivity 1/µ_o c^2 of 8.854187817x10^-12 farads per metre.How can the vacuum, as a medium devoid of matter, be said to have such curious properties if it is a mere nothing? Consider what we mean by that word 'permittivity'. It tells us how much energy we can store by setting up a voltage between two metal plates in a vacuum. That energy sits in the vacuum - not in those metal plates! The vacuum has a way of releasing that energy when that voltage is reduced and that mysterious quantity we call 'permittivity' governs that action." He goes on again in the same vein with regard to magnetism in the vacuum and the speed of light.....Philip. ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Neville Jones <mailto:njones@xxxxxxxxx> *To:* geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *Sent:* Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:07 PM *Subject:* [geocentrism] Re: veracity Philip, Not entirely, no. Dr Bouw regards Joshua's Long Day as the most geocentric verse(s), but I have now rejected that on the grounds that a loving and compassionate God would not halt the Sun and Moon such that the Joos could indulge themselves in more slaughter. I also believe there to be definitely something in the "concave earth" idea. I therefore feel that the strongest geocentric verses are those which have no ulterior motive and which allow for the possibility of a concave earth - a geobounded universe, as I refer to it with Steven - "the world is firmly established; it cannot be moved" (1 Ch. 16:30, Ps. 93:1, Ps. 96:10). I remain convinced that modern cosmology is wrong. I am wavering about geocentrism not primarily because I now reject scriptures that I previously held to be infallible, but because I find it hard to accept that what is still a massive structure needs to rotate about the World. A geobounded universe seems to fit with everything I now believe, and have much experimental and theoretical support behind it. I hope that this answers your question. By the way, I thought highly of your "Easter thoughts" posting. Very honest and considered. I know what your position is and I respect you for it. Regards, Neville. -----Original Message----- *From:* pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx *Sent:* Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:42:54 +1000 Neville, given your criticism as to the veracity and honesty of the Bible, the OT in particular, does this mean you have no more confidence in those portions relating to the geocentric universe?Philip.------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.0/1342 - Release Date: 25/03/2008 10:26 AM